zen Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) To account for form, changes in cricketing ideas/strategies, concentration of power, staleness, and so on max tenure for a captain should be capped at 8 years. 2 years provisional on performance 2 years confirmed but no guarantees of an extension 2 years extension if the performance and form are within acceptable range 2 years final extension if performances are brilliant and the player still has a shelf life If a captain is unable to maintain his batting/bowling form, he can be removed from the team (v where first he is removed from captaincy, then the team, and so on) If experienced specialists are available for tests (Tim Paine for e.g.) and LOIs (Morgan for e.g.) split captaincy should be considered to manage the workload, format specific strategies, etc.. better In the 3rd or 4th stage, the grooming for next captain (or captains if split captaincy) should ideally begin by promoting these guys to VC Edited November 21, 2020 by zen sandeep and Vilander 1 1 Link to comment
Serpico Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 This is all too rigid and unnecessary in a sport. What would you do when a captain wants to quit in middle of series? what if your captain coerces junior player to rub sand paper on balls and gets banned for an year? do they impeach him? what if there is no icc tourney in his first two years and then there are two in his next two? we don't have to re-invent the wheel here, selecting a captain already has lot of history and precedents. lets just use that knowledge select a player who is a.) respected by his team mates b.) automatic selection into the team c.) competent enough to implement the strategies discussed in the dressing room, on field. Being marketable for broadcasters and being a fan fav could be a bonus qualification if all the above boxes are ticked. Just have proper checks and balances in place such that no single person can control everything. Define the roles of selector-coach-captain properly and delegate them appropriate powers Link to comment
zen Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Serpico said: This is all too rigid and unnecessary in a sport. What would you do when a captain wants to quit in middle of series? what if your captain coerces junior player to rub sand paper on balls and gets banned for an year? do they impeach him? what if there is no icc tourney in his first two years and then there are two in his next two? The discussion is on max tenure (not minimum) under normal circumstances. As mentioned in the OP - "If a captain is unable to maintain his batting/bowling form, he can be removed from the team (v where first he is removed from captaincy, then the team, and so on)" Edited November 21, 2020 by zen Link to comment
maniac Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 What if the captain is at the stature of Lloyd, Imran Khan or Dhoni who by the way captained tests for only 6 years and LOI’s for 9. I was amazed myself as it felt much longer than that. Link to comment
Khota Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Captaincy should be rotated. Every match should have different captain. Sgattick10 1 Link to comment
Vilander Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Captaincy is overrated in cricket. Rasgulla 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 2 hours ago, Khota said: Captaincy should be rotated. Every match should have different captain. that’s not feasible. Here is a simple rule 101 for picking a captain First you pick your best X1 Among them you chose the best guy to lead the side who handles pressure well, is a good man manager and doesn’t have the baggage of his own poor form. If he is capable strategically it’s a bonus. Strategy is left to coaches where as quick thinking on the feet under pressure should be left to captains. Don’t need to over complicate things. Link to comment
The Realist Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 8 years is too long especially if captaining in all formats. Depends on the circumstances and the player but I think 5-6 years is max for effective shelf life. Jimmy Cliff 1 Link to comment
Khota Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 2 hours ago, maniac said: that’s not feasible. Here is a simple rule 101 for picking a captain First you pick your best X1 Among them you chose the best guy to lead the side who handles pressure well, is a good man manager and doesn’t have the baggage of his own poor form. If he is capable strategically it’s a bonus. Strategy is left to coaches where as quick thinking on the feet under pressure should be left to captains. Don’t need to over complicate things. IPL shows that there is nothing special about Kohli. Half a dozen can do better job. Link to comment
nevada Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 5 hours ago, Khota said: Captaincy should be rotated. Every match should have different captain. Rotation is a good idea! But every match feels too soon, by series might be better. Link to comment
Khota Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 10 hours ago, nevada said: Rotation is a good idea! But every match feels too soon, by series might be better. Fine. Start it now but hanging on to Kohli like it was done with Dhoni is a recipe for disaster. Link to comment
Khota Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 15 hours ago, Vilander said: Captaincy is overrated in cricket. I agree but not sure if you are serious or not. Link to comment
Straight Drive Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 There is no point in restricting good captains tenure. Link to comment
Vilander Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 11 hours ago, Khota said: I agree but not sure if you are serious or not. Lol.. I am serious. A team wins or looses. Selection has impact, players playing skills have an impact,field placings bowling order are often team gameplan if a captain is dumb enough to go against objective wisdom in the team he can negatively impact team fortunes but for reverse to be true the team would have to be from a very inexperienced setup on the whole like say a very new nation with a messiah captain that plays at a whole different level of understanding, which simply is not possible for top nations. Link to comment
Khota Posted November 22, 2020 Share Posted November 22, 2020 9 minutes ago, Vilander said: Lol.. I am serious. A team wins or looses. Selection has impact, players playing skills have an impact,field placings bowling order are often team gameplan if a captain is dumb enough to go against objective wisdom in the team he can negatively impact team fortunes but for reverse to be true the team would have to be from a very inexperienced setup on the whole like say a very new nation with a messiah captain that plays at a whole different level of understanding, which simply is not possible for top nations. Good post. Link to comment
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