coffee_rules Posted January 7, 2021 Posted January 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: What is objective thinking according to you? And how do you determine if something is objective Read a passage and give merit to discussion. You are always convinced of some unseen untold unproven hand and convinced of an outcome.
Khota Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 14 hours ago, Nonbeliever said: I live near punjab border and even our city is dependent on agriculture. Till now not met a single farmer in our area who is in favor of the bill. No farmer i India likes it but BJP knows better than these farmers. And ofcourse folks on ICF know everything anyway. BacktoCricaddict 1
Khota Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 14 hours ago, someone said: When they are talking about murdering and killing elected government, they don't care about democracy. And don't talk about poverty again. It's only a bad excuse. Millions of people who have nothing to eat or sleep properly, don't resort to such blackmail and violence. Violence is wrong and that is beyond debate. This is not blackmail. Supreme court has made it clear that constitution allows right to peaceful protest. I know the end game. Farmers will lose. Will that make you happy?
coffee_rules Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Khota said: No farmer i India likes it but BJP knows better than these farmers. And ofcourse folks on ICF know everything anyway. 580/620 likes it
Real McCoy Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 9 hours ago, Real McCoy said: What is objective thinking according to you? And how do you determine if something is objective 9 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Read a passage and give merit to discussion. You are always convinced of some unseen untold unproven hand and convinced of an outcome. You haven't answered my question. I want your answer not your input on me.
Real McCoy Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 6 hours ago, Under_Score said: Nothing very bad about the language bro....there used to be yesteryear movie called 'Namak Haram' starring Amitabh Bachhan. Haramkhor literally means one who eats Haram (unlawful). So in the literal sense, it can be used as an abuse for thief, robber, bribe-taker etc as they are “consuming” what is unlawful for them. In this case Modi ji seems to have taken bribe from his corporate cronies for his PM care fund & doesn't want to abolish the laws made for them or else Ambani & Adani might call him Namak Haram. That's the biggest dilemma for 'Modi Ji'. My bad. I was thinking haram as something else. My hindi is poor and urdu even poorer Under_Score 1
FischerTal Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) . . Edited January 8, 2021 by FischerTal coffee_rules 1
coffee_rules Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: My bad. I was thinking haram as something else. My hindi is poor and urdu even poorer Haramkhor means naughty. Ask Sanjay Rawat Under score called Modi naughty, that’s all Edited January 8, 2021 by coffee_rules Laaloo and FischerTal 2
FischerTal Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 @coffee_rulesi deleted cuz I dont want any controversy but good u saw it lol
Nonbeliever Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 There is no stock limit and government won't intervene in the pricing unless it does not rise 100% annually. Such foolishness can be expected from modi only. Under_Score, speedheat and Khota 3
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rkt.india Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 21 hours ago, Real McCoy said: Lazy analysis eh. I didn't say its the end of democracy. They can have democracy and oligarchy too like the US. What does the US say when its about to invade another country in the ME - "We are throwing away evil dictators and giving them democracy, liberty, and equal rights". The first order of business after invasion is setting up a centralized bank and institute a monetary system based on debt based slavery. Go see what they did to Libya and how Libya was prospering under Ghaddafi until it was "liberated" Back to the topic, I don't think this bill is to end corruption by the powerful lobbies. There has been fears among the general public about the "open markets". Food is something that cannot go the way of open markets. Govt regulations need to be in place to check private companies from doing as they please. I cant say that corruption doesnt exist as people in power are usually corrupt these days. What I'm trying to get at is minimizing the corruption and not allow some big corporates to rule over the agro industry and create a monopoly or oligarchy I don't get what is the problem when bills are not enforced. They are giving just another option to farmers. FYI, agriculture market is already open in 15 states much before these bills.
rkt.india Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 20 hours ago, Real McCoy said: Bush went to war. Obama won on a promise that he will defend the constitution and will not attack any country which poses no threat to his country. But as you know he went to war in Libya and other places. Two parties. different speech. same actions. this is what India is trying to copy. The only recourse is to empower smaller parties to block this left right march towards total slavery It seems there is an entity driving all these decisions, influencing govts world over. Parties come and go, policies remain same.
Nonbeliever Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 What's even more disturbing is that seeds bill and pesticides bill is also coming. Which will make sure farmers will be totally dependent on large corporations. Real McCoy 1
someone Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 13 hours ago, Khota said: Violence is wrong and that is beyond debate. This is not blackmail. Supreme court has made it clear that constitution allows right to peaceful protest. I know the end game. Farmers will lose. Will that make you happy? Peaceful protest is the thing, not unlawful protest by blocking and threatening everything, and common man & government. Farmers were losing in the past, which this 3 bills aim to correct. Would the farmers "win" and their problems "solved" by going back to "status quo". Don't be a hypocrite. Show solutions to the problems, not some anti-democratic behavior. The old system had plenty of flaws, and there is no reason why the government should bring back the failed old system. You don't even recognize the flaws with the past, or recognize how farmers have suffered in the past. Don't be a hypocrite....
Real McCoy Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Nonbeliever said: What's even more disturbing is that seeds bill and pesticides bill is also coming. Which will make sure farmers will be totally dependent on large corporations. wont be surprised that monsanto gets involved with their genetically modified seeds. They have been in the country and trying their best to persuade the govts to accept their seeds. Their seeds and their products dont produce more seeds (think seedless grapes) and are also dangerous to human health.
coffee_rules Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 39 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: wont be surprised that monsanto gets involved with their genetically modified seeds. They have been in the country and trying their best to persuade the govts to accept their seeds. Their seeds and their products dont produce more seeds (think seedless grapes) and are also dangerous to human health. Cue @Tibarn @BacktoCricaddict
BacktoCricaddict Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) 32 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: Cue @Tibarn @BacktoCricaddict The introduction of any improved seed, including genetically modified seeds, is imperative. More support must be given to Indian scientists to develop high-yielding, stress-resistant, indigenous crop varieties by whatever means possible - traditional breeding, genetic engineering or gene editing. Regulatory burden on bioengineered crops must be minimized and the indigenously developed varieties should compete on an even playing field with Bayer (Monsanto does not exist anymore) or other companies' varieties. Ideally, if a ragi farmer wants to develop a higher-yielding variety of ragi, and @Tibarn can make one by genetic modification and I can make one by traditional breeding, we should be allowed to compete for the farmer's business on a level playing field, and make it happen with minimal regulatory burden. In other words, @Tibarn 's GMO ragi should not be regulated more than my traditionally bred ragi just because of the technology used, i.e., regulate the product, not the process. BTW, there are no genetically modified grapes approved for cultivation anywhere in the world. If one does not know that fact, then they are not qualified to comment about GMOs. Edited January 8, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict Real McCoy and Nonbeliever 1 1
Yoda-esque Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 The idiots are blocking the expressway coffee_rules 1
BacktoCricaddict Posted January 8, 2021 Posted January 8, 2021 (edited) There are 50-60 species of wild grapes. Some of these grapes are edible. Others are not. For over 6000 years, humans have been doing viticulture. During this process, they have artificially selected grape varieties that fit human need. In the 1800s, a natural mutation resulted in the appearance of a seedless grape plant. This process is called parthenocarpy and is quite frequent in nature. Farmers saw the value of this seedless grape and propagated it by cutting. This is called artificial selection. It became so popular thanks to a guy named William (?) Thompson in California who started growing and propagating them by cuttings. That is not GMO. And even if it was, there is nothing wrong with them and they cause no harm. Edited January 8, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict coffee_rules 1
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