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Best fast-medium pace bowlers of all time in order of merit?

Which 5 fast medium pacers would you choose in an all-time test XI in a team without a spinner or a genuinely fast bowler?  

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  1. 1. Which 5 fast medium pacers would you choose in an all-time test XI in a team without a spinner or a genuinely fast bowler?

    • Glen Mcgrath
    • Kapil Dev
    • Ian Botham
    • James Anderson
    • Fazal Mehmood
    • Sarafraz Nawaz
    • Shaun Pollock
    • Vernon Philanderer
    • Jaggaval Srinath
    • Mohammad Asif
    • Alec Bedser
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    • Chamin De Vaas
    • Terry Alderman
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    • Bob Massie
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    • Roger Binny


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5 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Yes in that quest, lot of bowlers who can never attain those two skills together get chances over guys who have others skills but lack speed.

 

 

And if they remain poor bowlers, they get dropped.  

 

If a 140 k+ pacer attains different skills, he becomes a special bowler. Which is why teams  try to develop such pacers.

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45 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

 

What is most impressive is that he walks and runs a whole marathon before delivering each ball.  

There were probably no penalty for overs bowled so they must have taken their sweet time. All these small things add up and you see falling standards in pak cricket as they can't hide bottle caps or longer over times etc now in the new age.

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

And this is supposed to be the fast-medium bowler. !!

 

The sheer pace and hostility by Srinath on display here. Although he is bowling on normal paced pitches in England in the first 2 videos.

 

 

 

 

 

I missed cricket in the 90s, but looking at old videos, it is clear he had serious ability.  And seemed actually hostile in his early years.  But his overall record is a bit underwhelming.   Do you think this guy reached levels consistent with his potential?  

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2 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

I missed cricket in the 90s, but looking at old videos, it is clear he had serious ability.  And seemed actually hostile in his early years.  But his overall record is a bit underwhelming.   Do you think this guy reached levels consistent with his potential?  

 

 

If Srinath played for India after 2015, he would have averaged less than 25.

 

This is because he would have had support from the other end too.

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3 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

I missed cricket in the 90s, but looking at old videos, it is clear he had serious ability.  And seemed actually hostile in his early years.  But his overall record is a bit underwhelming.   Do you think this guy reached levels consistent with his potential?  

 

 

Some Facts: Srinath has recorded deliveries over 154k only Indian bowler to have that. 

 

Srinath was the fastest bowler after Shoaib in a WC. Bumrah/Umesh might have spells that are faster on average in Tests, and in LOI several bowlers  from India might have spells faster than him but no one bowled deliveries faster than him on record. 

 

so 'this guy' was fast. 

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8 minutes ago, Vilander said:

 

 

Some Facts: Srinath has recorded deliveries over 154k only Indian bowler to have that. 

 

Srinath was the fastest bowler after Shoaib in a WC. Bumrah/Umesh might have spells that are faster on average in Tests, and in LOI several bowlers  from India might have spells faster than him but no one bowled deliveries faster than him on record. 

 

so 'this guy' was fast. 

The question was:   Do you think this guy reached levels consistent with his potential?  

 

No one questioned his ability or speed.  Just his overall productivity (avg, SR), which didn't match his ability.  The answer - like @express bowling said - was that he had no support and had to do donkey work single handedly carrying the pace attack for a decade.  

 

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10 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

I missed cricket in the 90s, but looking at old videos, it is clear he had serious ability.  And seemed actually hostile in his early years.  But his overall record is a bit underwhelming.   Do you think this guy reached levels consistent with his potential?  

Not at all. He did not even reach 50% of his ability. Had he played at his optimal, his name would be taken alongside Allan Donald, Waqar Younis and Glenn Mcgrath. 

 

Not having a good bowling partner was one reason, the biggest reason though was the fact that he never had a senior bowler to look upto and go for corrections. Throughout his career, Srinath bowled a yard short. That was his biggest undoing. During those times, the bowling coaches used to teach to bowl short and medium pace, owing to the kind of pitches that were prepared in India. Srinath never learnt how to bowl overseas and how to work around with his lengths. 

It was only around 99/2000 that he understood the lengths. And he played for about 2-3 yrs more, but he was deadly during that period. And had decent support from the other end too. 

 

Had he been playing with the current batch, his bowling average would be around 20-23, and would easily be the top fast bowler of the world.

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On 2/17/2021 at 10:29 PM, putrevus said:

Speed gun readings as @MechEng said are overrated. Agarkar was always be treated as medium pacer because no matter what his speed gun reading said couldn't make batsman like Robin Smith hop around like Walsh. I will be more than happy to pay for the beer. Cheers.

Walsh hardly made Robin Smith hop. His deliveries were looping and barely carrying to wk. It was more Ian bishop than Walsh.

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6 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Walsh hardly made Robin Smith hop. His deliveries were looping and barely carrying to wk. It was more Ian bishop than Walsh.

That is exactly the point I was trying to make to him. Walsh was easily 7-10 k’s slower than Ajit Agarkar. People make statements based out of assumptions. 
walsh was not quick enough to make smith hop, but he did have quality to get him out.

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