DAVID LLOYD: All Tests would be over in two days and ODIs in four hours if the India captain's views on umpire's call were taken on board

[SK_IH]

1 hour ago, rkt.india said:

Problem is consistency. If umpire gives marginal decision as out its out. Margins should also be taken away from umpire. Like if ball is not hitting. 50%, it should be not out in either case whether umpire gives it out or not.

Agree with you

[Vilander]

42 minutes ago, Tattieboy said:

Who is this administration that should listen to players ?

icc bcci ecb etc 

[Tattieboy]

1 minute ago, Vilander said:

icc bcci ecb etc 

What they need is a cricket committee , maybe of 18 people , representing all participating in professional cricket , maybe something like a rep for players , coaches ,  , ex players , umpires ,  etc etc maybe headed by someone like Kumble where they all speak to everyone getting their views , and the committee put their recommendations to a full committee for ratification .....maybe something like that ? 

[Vilander]

8 minutes ago, Tattieboy said:

What they need is a cricket committee , maybe of 18 people , representing all participating in professional cricket , maybe something like a rep for players , coaches ,  , ex players , umpires ,  etc etc maybe headed by someone like Kumble where they all speak to everyone getting their views , and the committee put their recommendations to a full committee for ratification .....maybe something like that ? 

makes a lot of sense.. logical way to advance the rules..

[Tattieboy]

2 minutes ago, Vilander said:

makes a lot of sense.. logical way to advance the rules..

Maybe that is why that is exactly what is in place .

Just because Kohli shouts loudest doesn't mean other captains , coaches etc haven't been asked their opinions and have a very different view to Kohli and that is why the Cricket Committee  recommended  to full committee last week to keep umpires call 

[Vilander]

1 minute ago, Tattieboy said:

Maybe that is why that is exactly what is in place .

Just because Kohli shouts loudest doesn't mean other captains , coaches etc haven't been asked their opinions and have a very different view to Kohli and that is why the Cricket Committee  recommended  to full committee last week to keep umpires call 

Lloyd is still wrong when third man catches - soft signals are considered - may the said committee should look into that. 

[Vilander]

1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

After over 5 years as a captain, still doesn't have a proper process of consultation before asking for reviews.

this !  Rahane showed how its done in his first couple of games lol.

[putrevus]

What they need is a cricket committee , maybe of 18 people , representing all participating in professional cricket , maybe something like a rep for players , coaches ,  , ex players , umpires ,  etc etc maybe headed by someone like Kumble where they all speak to everyone getting their views , and the committee put their recommendations to a full committee for ratification .....maybe something like that ? 

They have that committee now, it is led by Kumble. Strauss and other former captains are in that committee.

 

If I am not wrong it was committee led by Mahela that made the reduction in umpire’s call strike zone from 100% ball hitting to 50%.

 

 

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[Bigg Brother]

Bumble is actually right about umpire's call.

[rollingstoned]

The current umpires call is fine and to a large extent bumble is right, it seems that who ever feels they were hard done by after taking a review and not having the decision overturned make a point about how unfair umpires call is as the ball hitting the stump doesn't change if a whole or a part of it does so. this only reveals their own lack of understanding of the lbw rule and that in that case even the ball pitching outside leg should be given out. The umpire is in a position of authority because he has to predict something that hasn't actually happened. this is a different issue to soft signals where he has to guess if the fielder caught it cleanly 80m away.

 

if anything they could refine it further by asking the umpire whether he gave it not out because of an inside edge or due to impact,etc but it will just muddle the whole process.

Edited March 25, 2021 by rollingstoned

[New guy]

12 hours ago, putrevus said:

Kohli suggestion like many other players suggestion is they don't want two outcomes for the same prediction.That ambiguity needs to be cleared. They have already tweaked umpires call couple of times. If tweaking it further means removing ambiguity then why not do it.

But the two different predictions is because there are two different errors rates and probability. We shouldn't remove ambiguity because some people are too dumb to understand that probability means a range of value and not one single value 

[New guy]

10 hours ago, Vilander said:

Lloyd is still wrong when third man catches - soft signals are considered - may the said committee should look into that. 

Soft signals are considered because unlike lbws and run outs there are no fixed cameras for catches. so there is no guarantee that we will get good camera angles

 

If there are no soft signals then 

 

 

1) all such catches will 99% be not out with benefit going to batsman 

 

2) host countirs will be accused of manipulating camera footage (when host is fielding you get great footage of catches, when they are batting suddenly unclear camera angles are there, meaning they will always be not out)

[afan]

13 hours ago, rkt.india said:

Problem is consistency. If umpire gives marginal decision as out its out. Margins should also be taken away from umpire. Like if ball is not hitting. 50%, it should be not out in either case whether umpire gives it out or not.

I like the old school of thought that the LBW marginal decisions should go in the Batsman's favor. Besides lets not forget the fact that Hawk eye is not foolproof.

If the ball is shown as just clipping the bails or brushing the stumps, then it should be Not Out irrespective of the Umpires Call.

 

Currently Technology is considered so that we can reduce the Howlers, if that be so Umpires call also Calls for Consistency..and the only way out for LBW decisions is giving it in the Batsmans favor 

[Tattieboy]

7 hours ago, putrevus said:

They have that committee now, it is led by Kumble. Strauss and other former captains are in that committee.

 

If I am not wrong it was committee led by Mahela that made the reduction in umpire’s call strike zone from 100% ball hitting to 50%.

 

 

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The reason I know a little bit about it and what happens is  because the Associate representative is the Scotland Captain .

[express bowling]

"Soft signal" should be removed.

 

[sage]

1 minute ago, express bowling said:

"Soft signal" should be removed.

 

And replace with what? Benefit of the doubt automatically for batsmen?

[express bowling]

Just now, sage said:

And replace with what? Benefit of the doubt automatically for batsmen?

 

 

Yes.

[express bowling]

As the tracking technology is not yet perfect ... 50% + of the ball should hit the stumps or be within the tramline for hitting in line / pitching in line issue.

 

This will solve the issue that Lloyd is raising. 

 

Umpire's call in not needed.

[rkt.india]

4 hours ago, New guy said:

But the two different predictions is because there are two different errors rates and probability. We shouldn't remove ambiguity because some people are too dumb to understand that probability means a range of value and not one single value 

 

Predictive path is shown by hawkeye to make it absolute. You can't have two different decisions for a similar event. 

[rkt.india]

1 hour ago, sage said:

And replace with what? Benefit of the doubt automatically for batsmen?

Leave it with the third umpire. Why do you need to have any option or preconceived opinion. Let third umpire do what he deems fit without soft signal.