BacktoCricaddict Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 27 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: ^^ production, distribution and supply chain issue OK. Some of the posts in this thread made it sound like the vaccine is not doing its job.
BacktoCricaddict Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 24 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: US is not issue free. People who registered back in Jan, got only end of March. With 3 or 4 options in April, only a few essential workers are getting on priority. I got in because of working for a defence manufacturing co. Most pharmacies have ran out of stock, only FEMA is able to distribute now It's been pretty smooth in NC. Counties, state, Walgreens, CVS. Stadium parking lots being utilized. Great communication between centers with shortage and centers with surplus so people can go 25-30 miles if there is a shortage in their locale. coffee_rules 1
Mariyam Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 30 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: of which vaccines? MRNA based vaccines have that problem. Not for J&J For Sputnik V. coffee_rules 1
rkt.india Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 2 hours ago, coffee_rules said: These companies want approval from SEC without any local bridging studies or trials. India can’t approve based on FDA or EU trials ” Similarly, Pfizer chose to withdraw its application for emergency after the SEC asked for detailed data and studies. The government has indicated often that a local, bridging study will be required for any vaccine maker to be considered for approval in the country. This will be a policy hurdle that Johnson & Johnson’s pharmaceutical company, Janssen, will also need to clear for its single-dose vaccine. Janssen has tied-up with India’s Biological E for producing 600 million doses of its Covid-19 vaccine. At the moment, Janssen has not applied for emergency approval in India.” https://qz.com/india/1977748/why-did-india-approve-covaxin-covishield-not-pfizer-sputnik-v/ So as an Indian if you are in USA, you can take J&J but if you come to India then you can't. That's ridiculous argument. You need to approve internationally approved vaccines.
coffee_rules Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 4 minutes ago, rkt.india said: So as an Indian if you are in USA, you can take J&J but if you come to India then you can't. That's ridiculous argument. You need to approve internationally approved vaccines. Sample sizes matter for each country. I don’t how it works. Perhaps @BacktoCricaddict can explain the nuances
dial_100 Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 I was not given a choice. I was given an appointment and things were very systematic. Within 30 min I was out of that facility. Very efficient. The vaccine made me quite fatigued on the second day but nothing serious. sandeep, BacktoCricaddict and coffee_rules 3
BacktoCricaddict Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: Sample sizes matter for each country. I don’t how it works. Perhaps @BacktoCricaddict can explain the nuances @rkt.india (1) Like c_r said, sample sizes could be an argument: The US trials included races/ethnicities to best mirror the general demographic. They had ~ 1200 - 1600 Asians. Out of those, may be between 300 - 500 of Indian origin (my guess). Is that a large enough number? (2) A strong argument beyond genetics can be made. There are differences in diet, lifestyle, and most importantly differences in day-to-day pathogen exposures and thus differences in immune systems. For example, although ethnically Indian, I have lived in the US for 29 years and my immune system has adapted to local exposures and may react differently to the vaccine than someone who is currently living in India. My genes are the same, but the way they respond has changed. The change may or may be huge enough to matter, but local officials want to be cautious. (3) Sovereignty. Edited April 8, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict sandeep and coffee_rules 1 1
kepler37b Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 5 hours ago, sandeep said: OP was trying to be "oversmart" in deflecting blame to "central govt" while trying to camouflage his propaganda driven agenda. What's sad is there are lot of takers for this kind of nonsense. The human brain is instinctively tribal, and likes to fool itself by blaming "others". Its a neurochemical thing. Requires reasonably educated intellect to overcome those hard-wired reptilian biases. Not all allow their brain to function properly, especially when the 'low' road is so easy and enticing. It is past time for our jantaa to blame everything on gormint. Gormint is just a product of jantaaa. Clarke 1
sandeep Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, kepler37b said: It is past time for our jantaa to blame everything on gormint. Gormint is just a product of jantaaa. not just that - this mahashay was trying to blame "central" govt for all the COVID problems in India and the state govts are "not allowed" to handle things better. You know where he gets his bread buttered when spouting stupidity like that.
sandeep Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 1 hour ago, BacktoCricaddict said: @rkt.india (1) Like c_r said, sample sizes could be an argument: The US trials included races/ethnicities to best mirror the general demographic. They had ~ 1200 - 1600 Asians. Out of those, may be between 300 - 500 of Indian origin (my guess). Is that a large enough number? (2) A strong argument beyond genetics can be made. There are differences in diet, lifestyle, and most importantly differences in day-to-day pathogen exposures and thus differences in immune systems. For example, although ethnically Indian, I have lived in the US for 29 years and my immune system has adapted to local exposures and may react differently to the vaccine than someone who is currently living in India. My genes are the same, but the way they respond has changed. The change may or may be huge enough to matter, but local officials want to be cautious. (3) Sovereignty. politics, economics as well. The US is going to bankroll a massive expansion of the vaccine supply for export - made in India, funded by US/Japan, with the Aussies getting some "transportation" credit. This is the biggest of the QUAD initiatives, and this probably came with some strings that would make it difficult for Indian govt to invest bigly on the Russian vaccine. I mean, pure speculation on my part, but still. Ultimately, not just for the COVID vaccine, but India's economic future, and the health of Indian Pharma sector depends on continued access and collaboration with US and west. That ties Indian govt hands to a certain degree. BacktoCricaddict 1
BacktoCricaddict Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 1 hour ago, sandeep said: politics, economics ... ... of which my understanding is rudimentary.
gattaca Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 1 hour ago, sandeep said: not just that - this mahashay was trying to blame "central" govt for all the COVID problems in India and the state govts are "not allowed" to handle things better. You know where he gets his bread buttered when spouting stupidity like that. DMK communists dont understand logic just like they closed many companies in TN.
sandeep Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 13 minutes ago, gattaca said: DMK communists dont understand logic just like they closed many companies in TN. I have no idea about his political leanings, but his agenda was transparent.
sandeep Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 21 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: ... of which my understanding is rudimentary. aren't we all in the same bucket. with what little we know.
sandeep Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 6 hours ago, ash said: Huh. What fake news? "there is no global vaccine shortage". I mean, when you resort to utter fabrications like this, your credibility goes below zero.
BacktoCricaddict Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, sandeep said: aren't we all in the same bucket. with what little we know. I don't know ... folks here and other places seem to have a much better understanding of human nature than I do.
sandeep Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: I don't know ... folks here and other places seem to have a much better understanding of human nature than I do. Maybe you're on the spectrum Edited April 8, 2021 by sandeep
BacktoCricaddict Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, sandeep said: Maybe you're on the spectrum Or maybe I just don't know what I know. People seem so confident in their opinions of others' intentions. Not me. Other than my blanket opinion that: (a) all politicians are narcissistic, most are corrupt and a majority are just pathological liars, and (b) all royalty was/is exploitative and must not be glorified I have no confidence in my ability to tease out others' intentions. Edited April 8, 2021 by BacktoCricaddict sandeep 1
sandeep Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said: maybe I just don't know what I know I have a similar tshirt without the translation - one of my favorite souvenirs from my trip to Greece. BacktoCricaddict 1
ash Posted April 9, 2021 Author Posted April 9, 2021 12 hours ago, sandeep said: not just that - this mahashay was trying to blame "central" govt for all the COVID problems in India and the state govts are "not allowed" to handle things better. You know where he gets his bread buttered when spouting stupidity like that. My first point in the post itself was that the central government lockdown last year was to prepare for the first wave which the state governments failed to do Anyway it is useless, as I said I was looking for someone with common sense to discuss, it is my bad luck that you saw the post and hijacked it with your gyans, speculations and gas. sandeep 1
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