Vilander Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 4 hours ago, PunterLog said: woman subservient to man Mangal sutra its the same but a little less obvious a bit like livestock branding.
EnterTheVoid Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) After cricket, it all went downhill for Imran. Edited April 13, 2021 by EnterTheVoid
Ranvir Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 This is the same man who used to sleep around and smoke weed in his playing days. A massive hypocritre.
Mariyam Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 Reading this thread I understand that a subservient woman = feminine. Wonderful insights! dial_100 and MechEng 1 1
Mariyam Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 15 hours ago, Vilander said: this is the law in some sharia states already, the women has to have 4 male witness to confirm that she was subjected to uncalled for sexual act from the male. Someone well versed on Islam can confirm may be someone who is also a lawyer, do we have someone like that ? I'm not an expert on Islamic jurisprudence. Far from it. Based on my limited understanding, this is some *bogus propaganda* floating around the internet. The four witness rule is for adultery/ physical relationship outside of marriage aka zina ( which is a criminal offense under the Sharia). There is no four witness rule for cases involving rape. Logically speaking, it makes no sense. What kind of witnesses ( and four of them, no less) would observe the act and not do anything to help. Would the testimony of such people with an obviously skewed moral compass amount to much? Anyways, in India we have a common criminal code which covers rape. And hopefully we should soon have a common civil code. So all of this Sharia stuff will be rendered meaningless. raki05 1
Vilander Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 4 hours ago, Mariyam said: I'm not an expert on Islamic jurisprudence. Far from it. Based on my limited understanding, this is some *bogus propaganda* floating around the internet. The four witness rule is for adultery/ physical relationship outside of marriage aka zina ( which is a criminal offense under the Sharia). There is no four witness rule for cases involving rape. Logically speaking, it makes no sense. What kind of witnesses ( and four of them, no less) would observe the act and not do anything to help. Would the testimony of such people with an obviously skewed moral compass amount to much? Anyways, in India we have a common criminal code which covers rape. And hopefully we should soon have a common civil code. So all of this Sharia stuff will be rendered meaningless. Did some research you are right. This four witness law is legal or was legal in Pakistan though. https://www.dawn.com/news/1016271/a-license-to-rape
Vilander Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 4 hours ago, Mariyam said: Reading this thread I understand that a subservient woman = feminine. Wonderful insights! Thats what IK implies. He thinks he is being Islamic by doing so.
PunterLog Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 6 hours ago, Mariyam said: Reading this thread I understand that a subservient woman = feminine. Wonderful insights! That's what you deduced from my posts? You don't have comprehension issues so put aside your bias and read again. In general, when women are put in subservient positions by society, they tend to become more feminine over time as they adapt to the environment around them.
PunterLog Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 7 hours ago, Ranvir said: This is the same man who used to sleep around and smoke weed in his playing days. A massive hypocritre. This is an extremely common theme. It's as if they feel guilty about their past and overcompensate for it by going to the other extreme. Also, Abrahamic faiths have this concept where all past deeds will be forgiven if you come back to the religious fold and it's a massive factor which drives this phenomenon of people finding god in their latter days.
Mariyam Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 4 minutes ago, PunterLog said: That's what you deduced from my posts? You don't have comprehension issues so put aside your bias and read again. In general, when women are put in subservient positions by society, they tend to become more feminine over time as they adapt to the environment around them. Vilander's post actually. He even replied to it above. What bias?
PunterLog Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 17 hours ago, Vilander said: Correct Indian Conservative women are also very ' womanly' I can see the attraction in it for the 'men' but I find it regressive none the less. I won't mind having a nanny like that very domestic very nurturing with the children etc lol not a spouse. The reverse of women not wearing burqa as game is due to out of control pigs masquerading as religious teachers etc. Its perverted, read abt how imams help consumate marriage for women after they divorce before they being ready to re married, its a perverted route for casual sex and exploitation somehow some societies are ok with this. Half of the population finds it regressive, the other half finds it ideal. I personally find it ideal but it's ok, everyone is allowed to have their own tastes. It only becomes an issue when groups start to believe that they are right and the opposite group is wrong. The first time I heard about Halala, I couldn't even fathom how such a thing can even exist. It's perverse beyond belief and it's even worse that such a ridiculous thing is practiced by the most extremist conservative religious faith. 17 hours ago, Vilander said: Mangal sutra its the same but a little less obvious a bit like livestock branding. Not even on a similar scale but yeah the base concept is the same. 5 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Vilander's post actually. He even replied to it above. What bias? Ah apologies then!
Vilander Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, PunterLog said: Abrahamic faiths have this concept where all past deeds will be forgiven if you come back to the religious fold honor shame scale. there is also sin and redemption scale. you see more of it in India as well. certain aspects of organized religion is a convenient mask on toxic masculinity. at times i like it when i am horny lol.
Ranvir Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 2 hours ago, PunterLog said: This is an extremely common theme. It's as if they feel guilty about their past and overcompensate for it by going to the other extreme. Also, Abrahamic faiths have this concept where all past deeds will be forgiven if you come back to the religious fold and it's a massive factor which drives this phenomenon of people finding god in their latter days. I think its just a reduction in testosterone as they get older so they turn to religion. I would respect his views more if he acted like this when he was in his prime playing days. It's a lot harder to be 'religious' and refuse women when you are a young active sportsman.
kepler37b Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 3 hours ago, PunterLog said: That's what you deduced from my posts? You don't have comprehension issues so put aside your bias and read again. In general, when women are put in subservient positions by society, they tend to become more feminine over time as they adapt to the environment around them. Trad women are expert manipulators.
PunterLog Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 29 minutes ago, kepler37b said: Trad women are expert manipulators. Yes and it's a feminine trait.
mishra Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 Why the hell we even discuss Taliban Khan mentality. I know a few Indian Muslims who are pretty pissed about what Khan says but have no energy or willpower to oppose his chewtiyaap or head Chewtiyas similar to him. They are minority and powerless. Infact are too scared to speak as they can’t say Immy is wrong and then justify within ambit of 6th-7th century rule of law or moral code of conduct. raki05 1
Alam_dar Posted April 15, 2021 Posted April 15, 2021 Woman or her dress is not a problem, but "Sexual Frustration" due to "Islamic Restrictions" against interacting with girls/women is the main culprit. Islam went against the NATURE by doing so. Problem is this that: (1) How Islam is going to cover the 5 years old girls in Burqa, while they are also being raped and then killed in Islamic Pakistan? (2) How Islam is going to cover small young male children in Burqa in Madrassas, who have the highest rate of rape in Pakistan? (3) You will not see any woman on the streets in Pashtoon areas. But this compelled them then to take interest in sodomy. Where are you going to put Burqa now? (4) Hell, even dead bodies of women are being taken out of their graves and they are raped. That is why relatives of women are not guarding the grave of women for several nights after the burial. (5) Christian Priests also went against the Nature, and thus they are also found raping small children in the churches. Imran Khan was considered as a moderate Muslim. He disappointed the most. kepler37b 1
MechEng Posted April 16, 2021 Posted April 16, 2021 On 4/14/2021 at 8:46 PM, PunterLog said: That's what you deduced from my posts? You don't have comprehension issues so put aside your bias and read again. In general, when women are put in subservient positions by society, they tend to become more feminine over time as they adapt to the environment around them. They don't become more feminine, they become what any other subservient person becomes - lacking a personality. Mariyam 1
kepler37b Posted April 16, 2021 Posted April 16, 2021 19 hours ago, Alam_dar said: Problem is this that: Inward looking monotheists like you are in need for the World.
PunterLog Posted April 16, 2021 Posted April 16, 2021 2 hours ago, MechEng said: They don't become more feminine, they become what any other subservient person becomes - lacking a personality. They do become more feminine. It's natural i.e humans becoming more feminine/masculine based on their surrounding environment. You are definitely right about the personality part. For lack of a better word, they tend to become zombielike in extremely subservient positions.
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