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2 hours ago, ash said:

Anecdotal evidence is not a fact. Provide some evidence pls

 

You think I'm stupid enough to give out confidential details here? 

 

Anyways, I did my job to spread the information here. The rest is upto y'all

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1 hour ago, gattaca said:


Covid is like flu attacks your lungs. 

 

It can cause organ failures as well, I shared what the doctors told directly and I do trust them.

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50 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

https://www.business-standard.com/article/current-affairs/clinical-trials-on-india-s-first-mrna-covid-19-vaccine-to-begin-soon-121041500030_1.html

This is great news!!  We need as many tools as possible, especially a versatile one like mRNA.  I was so wrong about India not having the infra for doing this at this time.  Never happier to be wrong about this!

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4 hours ago, ravishingravi said:

https://www.ptcnews.tv/bharat-biotechs-covaxin-neutralises-multiple-variants-of-coronavirus-icmr-en/

 

we underestimate our strengths and really demean the work of our health professionals and scientists. 

I just read the article in its entirety and cannot help but be so proud of what these scientists have done with little fanfare or public support!  There are no miracles in science - just compassionate, intelligent, workaholic scientists doing their best work when the world needs them.  But, if there is anything you want to call a miracle, it is is this - within 1.4 years of a pandemic, to conceive, manufacture, test, scale-up and re-test for efficacy against VOCs, all indigenously.  That, friends, is really what people who believe in miracles should be calling a miracle. 

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On 4/17/2021 at 11:53 AM, rising said:

Yes, that's main thing with government  just betting  on vaccine it looks if there  no immunity  we are screwed 

Karnataka  chief Minister had first dose of covidshield had  covid 7 months before now he tested   n in hospital  n I know people  with first doses done in March in hospital  so they check it quick

vaccine means your body has fighting chance against the infection and based on its efficiency that percent of people will get that particular immunity but they will not stop the virus from attempting to infect them, Virus is its own agent it wont be stopped just be killed by the antigens. 

 

Vaccine based on its efficiency will help that percentage of vaccinated people to have the antigens to defend against the infection and 100% of the cases will help stop a critical situation.  

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On 4/17/2021 at 12:57 PM, ash said:

Alas this would help only the Keyboard warrior NRIs here who would take Pfizer/Moderna. mRNA vaccine seems to be the least priority of the govt here, citing "cold storage needs funds". Yes it does but shouldn't this be the topmost priority for the govt? 

No.  Because the funds and logistics work required to get mRNA vaccine, could potentially be used to provide the other type of vaccines to 100 times more people, if not more.  And ALL vaccines are effective in saving lives, not just the mRNA ones.  

 

Just because some ignorant folks have FOMO feelings about wanting coca-cola vaccine instead of Pepsi, does not mean that government should cater to their "feelings".  National resources and Public health decisions have to be made dispassionately and in a way to help maximum number of folks.  Demanding govt investment in mRNA vaccines in India is utter selfishness.

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2 hours ago, sandeep said:

No.  Because the funds and logistics work required to get mRNA vaccine, could potentially be used to provide the other type of vaccines to 100 times more people, if not more.  And ALL vaccines are effective in saving lives, not just the mRNA ones.  

 

Just because some ignorant folks have FOMO feelings about wanting coca-cola vaccine instead of Pepsi, does not mean that government should cater to their "feelings".  National resources and Public health decisions have to be made dispassionately and in a way to help maximum number of folks.  Demanding govt investment in mRNA vaccines in India is utter selfishness.

Ideally, do it all.  But if it is a zero-sum proposition.  Do what you know.  Let companies invest in mRNA vaccines (some already have) and get them to the market.  

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54 minutes ago, ash said:

Lol. This is like asking a girl to marry a guy without telling anything about him and later finding out that the couple are happy.  It worked out at the end , doesn't mean the process was correct. 

Third phase of trial less important phase 1 and 2. Phase 3 is regarding absolute efficacy. It was given emergency use approval after phase 2 when they knew it was safe to use. 

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I read in a paper that Plasma treatment, which develops artificial immune system ( foreign plasma used by infected) cause more mutations of the virus, can lead to these multiple variants, some deadly. it is not effective in Covid patients beyond 3 days of infection. I read requests for Plasma from Delhi and MH mostly, not much from other parts. FDA has approved it . But has many guidelines to allow such treatment. AIIMS has approved Plasma treatment 

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03291-y

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1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

AP/Kurnool variant N440k variant is more deadly, not detected by PCR, but deteriorates the body in 3-4 days

 

 

Damn ... had not seen this.  

 

Article says it's not a new variant.  It has been known since last year, but is dying out now.  Hope that is the case.

 

Again, the reason it is not detectable by PCR is because of how sampling is done.  

 

At this stage, people have to be "self-strict" and highly disciplined.  Cover both nose and mouth (unlike the guy in the pic) with a good mask.  

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1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

I read in a paper that Plasma treatment, which develops artificial immune system ( foreign plasma used by infected) cause more mutations of the virus, can lead to these multiple variants, some deadly. it is not effective in Covid patients beyond 3 days of infection. I read requests for Plasma from Delhi and MH mostly, not much from other parts. FDA has approved it . But has many guidelines to allow such treatment. AIIMS has approved Plasma treatment 

 

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-021-03291-y

It's a single-patient case study.  The effectiveness is questionable, like you said.  But the effect of selection pressures from plasma treatment resulting in deadly variants is still unknown.      

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