Serpico Posted May 7, 2021 Posted May 7, 2021 On 5/1/2021 at 2:44 PM, velu said: Another reason why industries and industrialists should be encouraged and commie voices should be mute Yeah all the commie countries that are ravaged by covid should see this and learn from it. Oh wait ash and Iconoclast 1 1
ash Posted May 7, 2021 Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, velu said: is for your ignorance .. With government manufacturing plant are you talking about ? Anyway your wish might be granted , WTO is considering about relaxing intellectual rights and US is supporting .. but for your annoyance Germany is opposing https://theprint.in/india/india-needs-vaccines-now-but-this-govt-plant-in-tamil-nadu-has-been-idle-for-9-years/631770/ http://www.pharmabiz.com/NewsDetails.aspx?aid=134623&sid=1 There is an unused plant in Chennai which can produce 600 million doses. No activity from center inspite of repeated requests. Edited May 7, 2021 by ash
mishra Posted May 7, 2021 Posted May 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Serpico said: Yeah all the commie countries that are ravaged by covid should see this and learn from it. Oh wait Exactly, No one died in China, Russia, Iran, North Korea. All deaths happened in Capitalist nations where Capitalists sat on masks, oxygen, ventilators, medicines and vaccines
ash Posted May 7, 2021 Posted May 7, 2021 3 hours ago, velu said: there are very few companies to pick from .. you are mixing with pharma companies like dr reddy , Lupin https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://cdsco.gov.in/opencms/export/sites/CDSCO_WEB/Pdf-documents/biologicals/facilitiesLIST.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi5hvjskLfwAhU4wzgGHdzICjIQFjADegQICRAC&usg=AOvVaw0T-8X1qe7nXv2KDTz5W2AJ List of vaccine manufactures in India. There are 21 including PSUs. Either could have used a PSU to manufacture Covaxin or could have opened up Covaxin patent to all private companies. Nothing was done and now there is no second dose covaxin for many people. Meanwhile commie Russia just introduced its fourth vaccine - sputnik light today. All 4 developed by their govt research facility.
ash Posted May 7, 2021 Posted May 7, 2021 The funny thing govt has actually started doing all this now. They are now trying to open the unused manufacturing plant in Chennai for Bharat biotech..they are also inviting other private players to produce Covaxin. Both are decisions made very recently, which should have been done long back. Better late than never, glad that ICFs are not part of the govt else they would still claim nothing is wrong
velu Posted May 7, 2021 Author Posted May 7, 2021 4 minutes ago, ash said: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://cdsco.gov.in/opencms/export/sites/CDSCO_WEB/Pdf-documents/biologicals/facilitiesLIST.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi5hvjskLfwAhU4wzgGHdzICjIQFjADegQICRAC&usg=AOvVaw0T-8X1qe7nXv2KDTz5W2AJ List of vaccine manufactures in India. There are 21 including PSUs. Either could have used a PSU to manufacture Covaxin or could have opened up Covaxin patent to all private companies. Nothing was done and now there is no second dose covaxin for many people. Meanwhile commie Russia just introduced its fourth vaccine - sputnik light today. All 4 developed by their govt research facility. most of the companies are private or listed companies , and we dont know to be a mathematician to know the capacity of these private/listed vs PSUs .. serum instatitue , cadilla , bb are all private companies or listed
velu Posted May 7, 2021 Author Posted May 7, 2021 22 minutes ago, ash said: https://theprint.in/india/india-needs-vaccines-now-but-this-govt-plant-in-tamil-nadu-has-been-idle-for-9-years/631770/ http://www.pharmabiz.com/NewsDetails.aspx?aid=134623&sid=1 There is an unused plant in Chennai which can produce 600 million doses. No activity from center inspite of repeated requests. it clearly proves my original post .. government run entities are totally inefficient
mishra Posted May 7, 2021 Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, velu said: it clearly proves my original post .. government run entities are totally inefficient Government Baboos are most inept breed infact ahead of politicians. They only work temporarily if a minister is behind them with a Stick. So even politicians are better then these mofos Edited May 7, 2021 by mishra velu 1
ash Posted May 7, 2021 Posted May 7, 2021 1 hour ago, velu said: it clearly proves my original post .. government run entities are totally inefficient No the current central govt in inefficient. Do not extrapolate this and claim that only private players are efficient. Already gave Russia's example, they introduced their fourth govt researched vaccine today. Whereas an Indian citizen is forced to pay 1200 Rs for a ICMR developed vaccine. I support free market economy, but there are certain key areas which the govt should control. Vaccination and healthcare is certainly one of them. Else we will be in the mercy of private players, with people like you claiming that private players are god sent saviours
rkt.india Posted May 7, 2021 Posted May 7, 2021 1 hour ago, ash said: https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://cdsco.gov.in/opencms/export/sites/CDSCO_WEB/Pdf-documents/biologicals/facilitiesLIST.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwi5hvjskLfwAhU4wzgGHdzICjIQFjADegQICRAC&usg=AOvVaw0T-8X1qe7nXv2KDTz5W2AJ List of vaccine manufactures in India. There are 21 including PSUs. Either could have used a PSU to manufacture Covaxin or could have opened up Covaxin patent to all private companies. Nothing was done and now there is no second dose covaxin for many people. Meanwhile commie Russia just introduced its fourth vaccine - sputnik light today. All 4 developed by their govt research facility. Halfkine is already manufacturing covaxin. Bharat biotech too is increasing manufacturing to 600 millions a year.
rkt.india Posted May 7, 2021 Posted May 7, 2021 5 minutes ago, ash said: No the current central govt in inefficient. Do not extrapolate this and claim that only private players are efficient. Already gave Russia's example, they introduced their fourth govt researched vaccine today. Whereas an Indian citizen is forced to pay 1200 Rs for a ICMR developed vaccine. I support free market economy, but there are certain key areas which the govt should control. Vaccination and healthcare is certainly one of them. Else we will be in the mercy of private players, with people like you claiming that private players are god sent saviours You need a totalitarian govts like Russia and China for what you want govt to do but then you will cry death of democracy.
velu Posted May 7, 2021 Author Posted May 7, 2021 1 hour ago, ash said: No the current central govt in inefficient. Do not extrapolate this and claim that only private players are efficient. Already gave Russia's example, they introduced their fourth govt researched vaccine today. Whereas an Indian citizen is forced to pay 1200 Rs for a ICMR developed vaccine. all the governments are inefficient including commie kerala government was hailed as the best state who handled the corona first wave , check their status now
ash Posted May 7, 2021 Posted May 7, 2021 1 hour ago, velu said: all the governments are inefficient including commie kerala government was hailed as the best state who handled the corona first wave , check their status now When did the topic change from vaccines back to Kerala. Leave it man, you don't understand. But next time don't bring communism/capitalism whenever a private player does something good. Makes no sense
velu Posted May 7, 2021 Author Posted May 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, ash said: When did the topic change from vaccines back to Kerala. Leave it man, you don't understand. But next time don't bring communism/capitalism whenever a private player does something good. Makes no sense topic changed when you started diverting from reliance to blaming the central government since you said central government is inefficient , i just pointed it out to you that almost all forms of governments are inefficient including your fav commie Kerala government ..
Mariyam Posted May 7, 2021 Posted May 7, 2021 (edited) I think you guys are side stepping the entire issue. Its not much of a difference between a socialist state government or a more laissez faire state government. The bureaucracy is inept irrespective of who rules and want to be unaccountable. Their political masters also prefer this lack of transparency so that money can be made. The private players can bypass this entire blackhole of a bureaucratic process and hence could provide succor more effectively. Case in point, the Maharashtra govt announced free vaccine for everyone towards the end of the last month. But they have not given any kind of indication on how they intend to disburse all these vaccines. There are just 500 vaccines each for 7 centres in Mumbai today. In the 18-44 age range. The state blames the centre, the centre the state and there is a basic difference in audit figures of number of vaccines the state has. The BMC has agreed to provide vaccines ( at some point in the future) to housing societies at rs 1250/jab. SII has capped the price at Rs700. The state is creating a make believe shortage and then distress selling vaccines. @velu There is nothing communist in Kerala, apart from the name of the ruling party. You can set up factories. Labour laws are not much different from Maharashtra, and foreign entities can set up shop too. Our collective failure during the second wave has naught to do with Capitalism or Communism. One of my teachers' in middle school was named Grace. She wasn't graceful in the least. Edited May 7, 2021 by Mariyam ash and velu 2
coffee_rules Posted May 7, 2021 Posted May 7, 2021 A good story on how communist Russia meddled with the credibility of Sputnik. The success of Sputnik is not because of Russian government, but in spite of it. https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-02-11/russia-has-been-sputnik-vaccine-s-worst-enemy I see a similarity with Bharat biotech in this. Government should not be in the business of Pharma, but regulate the usage, illegal hoarding etc Yoda-esque 1
velu Posted May 7, 2021 Author Posted May 7, 2021 4 hours ago, Mariyam said: @velu There is nothing communist in Kerala, apart from the name of the ruling party. You can set up factories. Labour laws are not much different from Maharashtra, and foreign entities can set up shop too. Our collective failure during the second wave has naught to do with Capitalism or Communism. One of my teachers' in middle school was named Grace. She wasn't graceful in the least. when i see/hear anything related to commies/liberals mishra and Mariyam 2
Serpico Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 On 5/7/2021 at 7:01 PM, coffee_rules said: A good story on how communist Russia meddled with the credibility of Sputnik. The success of Sputnik is not because of Russian government, but in spite of it Communist russia? What year is this velu and coffee_rules 2
coffee_rules Posted May 11, 2021 Posted May 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, Serpico said: Communist russia? What year is this Don't know what to call Russian Govt anymore. The style is very much like the 80s Communist Russia with an autocratic leader, but all the Communism is lost and replaced with a Capitalist policy that favors one person, one party rule, China model. What do we call them now?
velu Posted May 11, 2021 Author Posted May 11, 2021 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: Don't know what to call Russian Govt anymore. The style is very much like the 80s Communist Russia with an autocratic leader, but all the Communism is lost and replaced with a Capitalist policy that favors one person, one party rule, China model. What do we call them now? tsar putin
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