zen Posted May 20, 2021 Posted May 20, 2021 Israel has destroyed most of Hamas’ underground tunnel network (“Metro”) Israel also shot down an Iranian drone More intense conflict would begin once the poster boys for extremely dangerous psychos Hezbollah is brought in by Iran coffee_rules 1
Texy Posted May 20, 2021 Posted May 20, 2021 meanwhile Similar to how Pakistani Muslims attack Indians overseas during heightened Kashmir tension
zen Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) Hezbollah is a terrorist army stronger than armies (ground forces) of many countries (countries in the subcon may not be able to handle something slimy like it with confidence): Estimated to have anywhere from 100k to 250k rockets (so in terms of rocket capability, it is better than many NATO countries except USA) They do not fight like a regular army. 60K fanatically trained force including reserves to do guerrilla warfare Missing official airforce and navy (if you exclude Iran’s) Edited May 21, 2021 by zen
coffee_rules Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 Other side has Pulitzers velu, MechEng and ravishingravi 3
rkt.india Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 12 hours ago, mishra said: So, how many jews live in Palestine? Zero. How many jews can actually live in Palestine in future? Zero but there is good number of Palestinians living in Israel with better life then Palestine. But what they do? Attack Police, Riot in streets? And breed. Because that all they can do. So proportaly, Israel can expel them all. Palestine is using everything thing they can to kill Jews but Israel is doing targeted. Proportionatel, Israel should also throw all its might? Shouldn’t it? Palestine stops Rockets, war will stop. No one will answer this. Suppose, one day, Arabs take over Israel, you can't even imagine what will happen to Jews. Islamists will kill every Jew like they did to Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan.
mishra Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 7 hours ago, vvvslaxman said: Both sides are sick in their own way. I don't think India took a side either. https://www.jagranjosh.com/general-knowledge/israel-or-palestine-who-did-india-support-at-the-united-nations-and-why-1621340459-1 action of terrorist and counter action by a victim State can NOT be equated. Its biggest unjustice people do to non Muslims who oive aming Islamists. Fact is African/ME/Asian states where terrorists are able to kill with impunity, Israel can react. Same happens in Kashmir too. Compared to total death count in this war, Islamist kill more people in Aftica ( for example whole village gets beheaded) overnight and no one even notices. So you do biggest mistake when you put israel and Islamist in same bracket
MechEng Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 Pseudo liberals always get sandwiched in Israel Palestine conflict , they are forced to put across a point without sounding anti Semitic or Islamophobic.
Lone Wolf Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 6 hours ago, zen said: Hezbollah is a terrorist army stronger than armies (ground forces) of many countries (countries in the subcon may not be able to handle something slimy like it with confidence): Estimated to have anywhere from 100k to 250k rockets (so in terms of rocket capability, it is better than many NATO countries except USA) They do not fight like a regular army. 60K fanatically trained force including reserves to do guerrilla warfare Missing official airforce and navy (if you exclude Iran’s) Hezbollah might be highly funded terrorist organization but the fact is like most of the Arab countries just as their soldiers are poorly trained we can't expect their terrorists to be that highly trained as well. Even though They might have good shiny toys & advanced logistics. In comparison Pak Army trained terrorist organizations like LeT HM & others are quite superior compared to them. Even Afghan Taliban to an extent.
coffee_rules Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 Israeli President thanks Modi for supporting Israel
zen Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 5 hours ago, Lone Wolf said: Hezbollah might be highly funded terrorist organization but the fact is like most of the Arab countries just as their soldiers are poorly trained we can't expect their terrorists to be that highly trained as well. Even though They might have good shiny toys & advanced logistics. In comparison Pak Army trained terrorist organizations like LeT HM & others are quite superior compared to them. Even Afghan Taliban to an extent. Buddy, you need to understand the power of a psychotic group with 100k to 250k advanced rockets (not Hamas like weapons) Bringing LeT, which many not even know of from a global POV, into discussion is out of scope (and that too by judging them v a relatively inefficient Ind army). A comparison with Hamas may still be ok but Hezbollah is usually considered the most powerful militant group in the world and fights one of the most efficient and battle hardened armies - Israel Defence Force. In 2005/6, Israel taught a lesson to Hezbollah by conducting devastating air strikes on it. Since then a second showdown b/w the two is anticipated with Hezbollah taking its time to get its act together
Yoda-esque Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 No one will answer this. Suppose, one day, Arabs take over Israel, you can't even imagine what will happen to Jews. Islamists will kill every Jew like they did to Hindus and Sikhs in Pakistan.And west Bengal coffee_rules 1
Lone Wolf Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 35 minutes ago, zen said: Buddy, you need to understand the power of a psychotic group with 100k to 250k advanced rockets (not Hamas like weapons) Bringing LeT, which many not even know of from a global POV, into discussion is out of scope (and that too by judging them v a relatively inefficient Ind army). A comparison with Hamas may still be ok but Hezbollah is usually considered the most powerful militant group in the world and fights one of the most efficient and battle hardened armies - Israel Defence Force. In 2005/6, Israel taught a lesson to Hezbollah by conducting devastating air strikes on it. Since then a second showdown b/w the two is anticipated with Hezbollah taking its time to get its act together I certainly get that. I am strictly basing my opinion on training & not on how much resources they got. Also a full front ground assault which Indian Army has done against terrorists in a much tougher terrain like Kashmir for over 20 years is very underrated & should be applauded Is Israel capable of amassing a large force and conquering territory in Lebanon while displacing Hezbollah? Certainly. But that would (a) result in completely pointless casualties - civilian and otherwise, (b) have no demonstrable value in the medium-long term, and (c) would galvanize remaining Hezbollah forces, who would then be able to score easy eroding wins against the IDF by reverting to guerilla tactics on their home turf. So IDF is indeed one of the most efficient forces in the world but you can't say that Indian Army is inefficient. Our operations are much more complex & dangerous I'd say. coffee_rules 1
coffee_rules Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 48 minutes ago, zen said: Buddy, you need to understand the power of a psychotic group with 100k to 250k advanced rockets (not Hamas like weapons) Bringing LeT, which many not even know of from a global POV, into discussion is out of scope (and that too by judging them v a relatively inefficient Ind army). A comparison with Hamas may still be ok but Hezbollah is usually considered the most powerful militant group in the world and fights one of the most efficient and battle hardened armies - Israel Defence Force. In 2005/6, Israel taught a lesson to Hezbollah by conducting devastating air strikes on it. Since then a second showdown b/w the two is anticipated with Hezbollah taking its time to get its act together This seems to be a propaganda video like Bush's WMD to keep US defence investment in ME funded forever. If Hez is so powerful, why are they not helping their Muslim brothers in Gaza? Already in UK, average people on the street are calling for Muslim armies. This suits their purpose perfectly.
zen Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Lone Wolf said: I certainly get that. I am strictly basing my opinion on training & not on how much resources they got. Also a full front ground assault which Indian Army has done against terrorists in a much tougher terrain like Kashmir for over 20 years is very underrated & should be applauded Is Israel capable of amassing a large force and conquering territory in Lebanon while displacing Hezbollah? Certainly. But that would (a) result in completely pointless casualties - civilian and otherwise, (b) have no demonstrable value in the medium-long term, and (c) would galvanize remaining Hezbollah forces, who would then be able to score easy eroding wins against the IDF by reverting to guerilla tactics on their home turf. So IDF is indeed one of the most efficient forces in the world but you can't say that Indian Army is inefficient. Our operations are much more complex & dangerous I'd say. I would not compare a highly specialized Israel Defense Force (IDF) with any army from the subcon - Ind or Pak, who are mostly good enough to fight against each other (Ind has not won any war apart from against all show no substance Pak). As 3rd world countries, they lack resources to carry out an extended war esp. on two fronts
zen Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 (edited) 17 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: This seems to be a propaganda video like Bush's WMD to keep US defence investment in ME funded forever. If Hez is so powerful, why are they not helping their Muslim brothers in Gaza? Already in UK, average people on the street are calling for Muslim armies. This suits their purpose perfectly. As I said, Israel taught Hezbollah a lesson in 2005/6 by conducting devastating air strikes on them. Since then a second showdown b/w the two is expected. Also all groups are controlled by Iran, which will use them per its long term strategy ... Hamas, which is a relatively inferior outfit, was a trial run and Israel put Hamas a few years back esp. by destroying most of its underground tunnel network refereed to as “metro” Edited May 21, 2021 by zen coffee_rules 1
Lone Wolf Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 14 minutes ago, zen said: I would not compare a highly specialized Israel Defense Force (IDF) with any army from the subcon - Ind or Pak, who are mostly good enough to fight against each other (Ind has not won any war apart from against all show no substance Pak). As 3rd world countries, they lack resources to carry out an extended war esp. on two fronts Lol India & Pak have fought good high quality wars I'd say. 1965 War involved largest Tank battle Since WW2... Did u see any of that scale in Iran Iraq war? Or heck the six day war. In 1971 freakin navy got Involved & India managed to show itself that it has one helluva powerful navy.. I'd say most efficient in Asia. Indian Navy is the primary reason US wants India on its side. We have fought three mountain wars (toughest of the lot) as well 1962, 1967 & 1999. We won two of them & narrowly lost the 1st (Aksai Chin was lost much prior to 1962 & no battle took place there)
zen Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 13 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said: Lol India & Pak have fought good high quality wars I'd say. 1965 War involved largest Tank battle Since WW2... Did u see any of that scale in Iran Iraq war? Or heck the six day war. In 1971 freakin navy got Involved & India managed to show itself that it has one helluva powerful navy.. I'd say most efficient in Asia. Indian Navy is the primary reason US wants India on its side. We have fought three mountain wars (toughest of the lot) as well 1962, 1967 & 1999. We won two of them & narrowly lost the 1st (Aksai Chin was lost much prior to 1962 & no battle took place there) Buddy, I know Ind and Pak (including the general characteristics of the population) to know where they stand ... Below is a list of countries with nukes. I would be least confident of the efficiency of Ind's nukes: mishra 1
Lone Wolf Posted May 21, 2021 Posted May 21, 2021 31 minutes ago, zen said: Buddy, I know Ind and Pak (including the general characteristics of the population) to know where they stand ... Below is a list of countries with nukes. I would be least confident of the efficiency of Ind's nukes: Actually India's nuclear program is very secretive one like China. No one actually has any idea how effective they are or how many of them are there so these things will perhaps never be revealed. Indian missile program is also very secretive. On the contrast Pakistani missile program is heavily copied from North Korean & later on Chinese variants like recent Hatf/Nasr missile which can be used as a MLRS. I'd say Indian nuclear program is far more reliable than what you are suggesting.
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