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Technically they took their positions in Indian test XI but they are nowhere close to the older bunch.

 

May be kohli is comparable to sachin or Pujara comparable to dravid, but they did not prove themselves as the next versions of the former greats.

 

What do you think?

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6 hours ago, sarcastic said:

Technically they took their positions in Indian test XI but they are nowhere close to the older bunch.

 

May be kohli is comparable to sachin or Pujara comparable to dravid, but they did not prove themselves as the next versions of the former greats.

 

What do you think?

 

If Pujara and Rahane had played on flat decks of 2003-2012 they would have averaged 50+ and 45+ respectively.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Trichromatic said:

 

If Pujara and Rahane had played on flat decks of 2003-2012 they would have averaged 50+ and 45+ respectively.

 

 

Are you really saying that they are as good as Dravid and VVS respectively... Really???

The kind of attacks the fab 4 have faced is way way better than today's bowlers... It is an insult to those legends if you say they have only played on flat decks during 2003-12.

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21 minutes ago, sarcastic said:

Are you really saying that they are as good as Dravid and VVS respectively... Really???

The kind of attacks the fab 4 have faced is way way better than today's bowlers... It is an insult to those legends if you say they have only played on flat decks during 2003-12.

Definitely not rahane. But puji prime is. 

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2 hours ago, sarcastic said:


The kind of attacks the fab 4 have faced is way way better than today's bowlers...

 

 

India, England and NZ have better pace attacks now than in the 2000s decade.  (  Yes, the current Indian batters do not have to face the Indian attack but it is relevant in a discussion about bowling attacks of current eras )

 

WI attack was really good only till 1995. Apart from Tendulkar, the others did not face them. Roach, Holder and Gabriel are better than the early 2000s attack.

 

Australian attack, featuring McGrath and Warne, were obviously better than the current one. But the current Aussie attack comes right after that great attack as far as Aussie bowling goes. 

 

The current top Indian batters have faced Steyn, Rabada, Morkel and Philander. This is similar to Donald, Pollock, Ntini, Steyn, Morkel that the fab 4 faced.

 

The SL bowling attack of the 2000s was definitely better than the current one, especially because of Murali. 

 

And we played Pakistan very sporadically in test matches. None of the fab 4 have faced Wasim and Waqar at their best in a test match, barring Tendulkar in 1989, which was Waqar's debut series too.

 

In a nutshell, only Tendulkar had faced better bowlers because his career spanned 24 years and he had to face great bowlers of different eras.

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

India, England and NZ have better pace attacks now than in the 2000s decade.  (  Yes, the current Indian batters do not have to face the Indian attack but it is relevant in a discussion about bowling attacks of current eras )

 

WI attack was really good only till 1995. Apart from Tendulkar, the others did not face them. Roach, Holder and Gabriel are better than the early 2000s attack.

 

Australian attack, featuring McGrath and Warne, were obviously better than the current one. But the current Aussie attack comes right after that great attack as far as Aussie bowling goes. 

 

The current top Indian batters have faced Steyn, Rabada, Morkel and Philander. This is slightly better than Donald, Pollock and Ntini, 

 

The SL bowling attack of the 2000s was definitely better than the current one, especially because of Murali. 

 

And we played Pakistan very sporadically in test matches. None of the fab 4 have faced Wasim and Waqar at their best in a test match, barring Tendulkar in 1989, which was Waqar's debut series too.

 

In a nutshell, only Tendulkar had faced better bowlers because his career spanned 24 years and he had to face great bowlers of different eras.

Wi attack was best until 2000 .dravid, saurav & vvs played against them in 1997.

sachin, dravid & vvs also played against steyn & morkel, infact they played against more match compared to current batsman .they also faced 10 time better spinner compare to today. Murli, warne,saqlain,vettori, swann, kaneriya,& macgill.

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

 

 

India, England and NZ have better pace attacks now than in the 2000s decade.  (  Yes, the current Indian batters do not have to face the Indian attack but it is relevant in a discussion about bowling attacks of current eras )

 

WI attack was really good only till 1995. Apart from Tendulkar, the others did not face them. Roach, Holder and Gabriel are better than the early 2000s attack.

 

Australian attack, featuring McGrath and Warne, were obviously better than the current one. But the current Aussie attack comes right after that great attack as far as Aussie bowling goes. 

 

The current top Indian batters have faced Steyn, Rabada, Morkel and Philander. This is slightly better than Donald, Pollock and Ntini, 

 

The SL bowling attack of the 2000s was definitely better than the current one, especially because of Murali. 

 

And we played Pakistan very sporadically in test matches. None of the fab 4 have faced Wasim and Waqar at their best in a test match, barring Tendulkar in 1989, which was Waqar's debut series too.

 

In a nutshell, only Tendulkar had faced better bowlers because his career spanned 24 years and he had to face great bowlers of different eras.

Steyn played 10 test against india during sachin, dravid & vvs time & 4 test  against india during kohli, rahane & pujara time.steyn was also injured in last 2 test against india ( 1 in 2015 & other 1 in 2018).

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29 minutes ago, kohli said:

Wi attack was best until 2000 .dravid, saurav & vvs played against them in 1997.

sachin, dravid & vvs also played against steyn & morkel, infact they played against more match compared to current batsman .they also faced 10 time better spinner compare to today. Murli, warne,saqlain,vettori, swann, kaneriya,& macgill.

 

 

In the 1997 series, Walsh and Ambrose were aging and just shadows of their old self. Walsh picked up just 4 wickets from 4 tests and Ambrose got just 10 wickets from 5 tests. Lacked their old fire.

 

I mentioned that Warne and Murali made Australia and SL attacks much better than current ones. McGill was there too.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

In the 1997 series, Walsh and Ambrose were aging and just shadows of their old self. Walsh picked up just 4 wickets from 4 tests and Ambrose got just 10 wickets from 5 tests. Lacked their old fire.

 

I mentioned that Warne and Murali made Australia and SL attacks much better than current ones. McGill was there too.

 

 

Ambrose bowling figures 

1997-29 w - avg 24

1998-42 w- avg16

1999- 20 w- avg 23

2000-36 w- avg 17

Walsh bowling figures 

1997-32 w-30 avg

1998-38 w-23 avg

1999-35 w-24 avg

2000-66 w-18 avg

2001-27 w- 22 avg

this Is the status of ambrose & walsh from 1997 to retirement.they was on best until retirement. It was our batsman who played them well in 1997 tour ( except 1 match).

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3 minutes ago, kohli said:

Ambrose bowling figures 

1997-29 w - avg 24

1998-42 w- avg16

1999- 20 w- avg 23

2000-36 w- avg 17

Walsh bowling figures 

1997-32 w-30 avg

1998-38 w-23 avg

1999-35 w-24 avg

2000-66 w-18 avg

2001-27 w- 22 avg

this Is the status of ambrose & walsh from 1997 to retirement.they was on best until retirement. It was our batsman who played them well in 1997 tour ( except 1 match).

 

 

If you had watched the 1997 series, both looked insipid.

 

Walsh picked just 4 wickets from 4 tests and Ambrose just 10 from 5 tests.

 

Rose and Dillon looked better.

 

 

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7 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

 

If you had watched the 1997 series, both looked insipid.

 

Walsh picked just 4 wickets from 4 tests and Ambrose just 10 from 5 tests.

 

Rose and Dillon looked better.

 

 

Or indian batsma made them like this?

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58 minutes ago, kohli said:

hey also faced 10 time better spinner compare to today. Murli, warne,saqlain,vettori, swann, kaneriya,& macgill.

 

 

Warne, Murali and McGill were obviously way better than any modern spinner.

 

Kohli and Pujara have faced Swann.

 

Lyon is better than the other spinners you mention. Vettori wasn't that good. 

 

DRS is posing an extra challenge these days while playing even ordinary spinners.

 

 

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2 minutes ago, kohli said:

Or indian batsma made them like this?

 

 

No. They lacked the old fire they had.

 

I was a huge fan of Ambrose and was sad to see how he was bowling in 1997.

 

In those days, the WI fast bowling was the benchmark and many of us were hoping that Rose and Dillon would make it big.

 

There was a joke going around during that series ... " Rose " is only 4/7 th of " Amb-rose " but bowling better.   : )

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1 minute ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Warne, Murali and McGill were obviously way better than any modern spinner.

 

Kohli and Pujara have faced Swann.

 

Lyon is better than the other spinners you mention. Vettori wasn't that good. 

 

DRS is posing an extra challenge these days while playing even ordinary spinners.

 

 

Agree with you but current Indian batsman faced  only 2 good spinner lyon & herath.(swann in one series.)

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