sarcastic Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 Technically they took their positions in Indian test XI but they are nowhere close to the older bunch. May be kohli is comparable to sachin or Pujara comparable to dravid, but they did not prove themselves as the next versions of the former greats. What do you think? Link to comment
deathmonger Posted June 19, 2021 Share Posted June 19, 2021 yeah but the gap between them and the older batsmen is way way less than the gap between the bowling attack and those bowling attacks (And for that matter pant vs dhoni etc). Link to comment
Trichromatic Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 6 hours ago, sarcastic said: Technically they took their positions in Indian test XI but they are nowhere close to the older bunch. May be kohli is comparable to sachin or Pujara comparable to dravid, but they did not prove themselves as the next versions of the former greats. What do you think? If Pujara and Rahane had played on flat decks of 2003-2012 they would have averaged 50+ and 45+ respectively. express bowling 1 Link to comment
sarcastic Posted June 20, 2021 Author Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Trichromatic said: If Pujara and Rahane had played on flat decks of 2003-2012 they would have averaged 50+ and 45+ respectively. Are you really saying that they are as good as Dravid and VVS respectively... Really??? The kind of attacks the fab 4 have faced is way way better than today's bowlers... It is an insult to those legends if you say they have only played on flat decks during 2003-12. Link to comment
Jay Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 21 minutes ago, sarcastic said: Are you really saying that they are as good as Dravid and VVS respectively... Really??? The kind of attacks the fab 4 have faced is way way better than today's bowlers... It is an insult to those legends if you say they have only played on flat decks during 2003-12. Definitely not rahane. But puji prime is. Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Indian bowling has come a long way. Batting not so much. Talent is there. But adapting to different formats is an issue for the most. Current Indian line up lacks a Sehwag. Who can forget Gambhir's 10 hour vigil in NZ to save a test. Link to comment
express bowling Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, sarcastic said: The kind of attacks the fab 4 have faced is way way better than today's bowlers... India, England and NZ have better pace attacks now than in the 2000s decade. ( Yes, the current Indian batters do not have to face the Indian attack but it is relevant in a discussion about bowling attacks of current eras ) WI attack was really good only till 1995. Apart from Tendulkar, the others did not face them. Roach, Holder and Gabriel are better than the early 2000s attack. Australian attack, featuring McGrath and Warne, were obviously better than the current one. But the current Aussie attack comes right after that great attack as far as Aussie bowling goes. The current top Indian batters have faced Steyn, Rabada, Morkel and Philander. This is similar to Donald, Pollock, Ntini, Steyn, Morkel that the fab 4 faced. The SL bowling attack of the 2000s was definitely better than the current one, especially because of Murali. And we played Pakistan very sporadically in test matches. None of the fab 4 have faced Wasim and Waqar at their best in a test match, barring Tendulkar in 1989, which was Waqar's debut series too. In a nutshell, only Tendulkar had faced better bowlers because his career spanned 24 years and he had to face great bowlers of different eras. Edited June 20, 2021 by express bowling Mosher and f20143g70 2 Link to comment
Bigg Brother Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 We will never get a replacement of Dravid. Sachin, Maybe. Dravid-Never. sarchasm 1 Link to comment
Majestic Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 Not even close. Tendulkar - 9.5 Dravid - 9 Laxman - 8 Kohli - 9 Pujara - 7.5 Rahane - 6 Link to comment
kohli Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 hour ago, express bowling said: India, England and NZ have better pace attacks now than in the 2000s decade. ( Yes, the current Indian batters do not have to face the Indian attack but it is relevant in a discussion about bowling attacks of current eras ) WI attack was really good only till 1995. Apart from Tendulkar, the others did not face them. Roach, Holder and Gabriel are better than the early 2000s attack. Australian attack, featuring McGrath and Warne, were obviously better than the current one. But the current Aussie attack comes right after that great attack as far as Aussie bowling goes. The current top Indian batters have faced Steyn, Rabada, Morkel and Philander. This is slightly better than Donald, Pollock and Ntini, The SL bowling attack of the 2000s was definitely better than the current one, especially because of Murali. And we played Pakistan very sporadically in test matches. None of the fab 4 have faced Wasim and Waqar at their best in a test match, barring Tendulkar in 1989, which was Waqar's debut series too. In a nutshell, only Tendulkar had faced better bowlers because his career spanned 24 years and he had to face great bowlers of different eras. Wi attack was best until 2000 .dravid, saurav & vvs played against them in 1997. sachin, dravid & vvs also played against steyn & morkel, infact they played against more match compared to current batsman .they also faced 10 time better spinner compare to today. Murli, warne,saqlain,vettori, swann, kaneriya,& macgill. Majestic 1 Link to comment
kohli Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 hour ago, express bowling said: India, England and NZ have better pace attacks now than in the 2000s decade. ( Yes, the current Indian batters do not have to face the Indian attack but it is relevant in a discussion about bowling attacks of current eras ) WI attack was really good only till 1995. Apart from Tendulkar, the others did not face them. Roach, Holder and Gabriel are better than the early 2000s attack. Australian attack, featuring McGrath and Warne, were obviously better than the current one. But the current Aussie attack comes right after that great attack as far as Aussie bowling goes. The current top Indian batters have faced Steyn, Rabada, Morkel and Philander. This is slightly better than Donald, Pollock and Ntini, The SL bowling attack of the 2000s was definitely better than the current one, especially because of Murali. And we played Pakistan very sporadically in test matches. None of the fab 4 have faced Wasim and Waqar at their best in a test match, barring Tendulkar in 1989, which was Waqar's debut series too. In a nutshell, only Tendulkar had faced better bowlers because his career spanned 24 years and he had to face great bowlers of different eras. Steyn played 10 test against india during sachin, dravid & vvs time & 4 test against india during kohli, rahane & pujara time.steyn was also injured in last 2 test against india ( 1 in 2015 & other 1 in 2018). express bowling and Majestic 2 Link to comment
express bowling Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 29 minutes ago, kohli said: Wi attack was best until 2000 .dravid, saurav & vvs played against them in 1997. sachin, dravid & vvs also played against steyn & morkel, infact they played against more match compared to current batsman .they also faced 10 time better spinner compare to today. Murli, warne,saqlain,vettori, swann, kaneriya,& macgill. In the 1997 series, Walsh and Ambrose were aging and just shadows of their old self. Walsh picked up just 4 wickets from 4 tests and Ambrose got just 10 wickets from 5 tests. Lacked their old fire. I mentioned that Warne and Murali made Australia and SL attacks much better than current ones. McGill was there too. Mosher 1 Link to comment
Lord Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 No Our bowling has gotten way better but these days we lose Tests due to batting mostly Link to comment
kohli Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, express bowling said: In the 1997 series, Walsh and Ambrose were aging and just shadows of their old self. Walsh picked up just 4 wickets from 4 tests and Ambrose got just 10 wickets from 5 tests. Lacked their old fire. I mentioned that Warne and Murali made Australia and SL attacks much better than current ones. McGill was there too. Ambrose bowling figures 1997-29 w - avg 24 1998-42 w- avg16 1999- 20 w- avg 23 2000-36 w- avg 17 Walsh bowling figures 1997-32 w-30 avg 1998-38 w-23 avg 1999-35 w-24 avg 2000-66 w-18 avg 2001-27 w- 22 avg this Is the status of ambrose & walsh from 1997 to retirement.they was on best until retirement. It was our batsman who played them well in 1997 tour ( except 1 match). Link to comment
express bowling Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, kohli said: Ambrose bowling figures 1997-29 w - avg 24 1998-42 w- avg16 1999- 20 w- avg 23 2000-36 w- avg 17 Walsh bowling figures 1997-32 w-30 avg 1998-38 w-23 avg 1999-35 w-24 avg 2000-66 w-18 avg 2001-27 w- 22 avg this Is the status of ambrose & walsh from 1997 to retirement.they was on best until retirement. It was our batsman who played them well in 1997 tour ( except 1 match). If you had watched the 1997 series, both looked insipid. Walsh picked just 4 wickets from 4 tests and Ambrose just 10 from 5 tests. Rose and Dillon looked better. Mosher 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 35 minutes ago, kohli said: Steyn played 10 test against india during sachin, dravid & vvs time & 4 test against india during kohli, rahane & pujara time.steyn was also injured in last 2 test against india ( 1 in 2015 & other 1 in 2018). The point is that the SA pace attack has always been good from 1991 to 2019. Mosher 1 Link to comment
kohli Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, express bowling said: If you had watched the 1997 series, both looked insipid. Walsh picked just 4 wickets from 4 tests and Ambrose just 10 from 5 tests. Rose and Dillon looked better. Or indian batsma made them like this? Link to comment
express bowling Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 58 minutes ago, kohli said: hey also faced 10 time better spinner compare to today. Murli, warne,saqlain,vettori, swann, kaneriya,& macgill. Warne, Murali and McGill were obviously way better than any modern spinner. Kohli and Pujara have faced Swann. Lyon is better than the other spinners you mention. Vettori wasn't that good. DRS is posing an extra challenge these days while playing even ordinary spinners. Mosher 1 Link to comment
express bowling Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, kohli said: Or indian batsma made them like this? No. They lacked the old fire they had. I was a huge fan of Ambrose and was sad to see how he was bowling in 1997. In those days, the WI fast bowling was the benchmark and many of us were hoping that Rose and Dillon would make it big. There was a joke going around during that series ... " Rose " is only 4/7 th of " Amb-rose " but bowling better. : ) Mosher and kohli 1 1 Link to comment
kohli Posted June 20, 2021 Share Posted June 20, 2021 1 minute ago, express bowling said: Warne, Murali and McGill were obviously way better than any modern spinner. Kohli and Pujara have faced Swann. Lyon is better than the other spinners you mention. Vettori wasn't that good. DRS is posing an extra challenge these days while playing even ordinary spinners. Agree with you but current Indian batsman faced only 2 good spinner lyon & herath.(swann in one series.) express bowling 1 Link to comment
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