Wrong team selection again.

[Ankit_sharma03]

10 minutes ago, maniac said:

who will they drop for Henry? They were playing with 4 fast bowlers + Grandhomme.

 

Cant drop Boult,Jamieson and Wagner. Southee is the most experienced player for them in these conditions and already a Nzl ATG with his wickets. Grandhomme is an allrounder.

Boult definitely 

[maniac]

Just now, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Boult definitely 

Indian team struggles against left arm swing bowlers and Boult is one of the GOAT’s. Would have been dumb to drop him for this game. Also a big game player and a superstar.

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

Indian team struggles against left arm swing bowlers and Boult is one of the GOAT’s. Would have been dumb to drop him for this game. Also a big game player and a superstar.

 

in white ball more  and wagner was there, Boult white ball bowling has improved n red ball declined. 

Henry wud have troubled anyone , he bowls in an area which wud have trouble each n every batsman. Im sure had he played our defeat wud have been worst

 

[express bowling]

15 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

and how does Bumrah play ahead of Ishant?if anything his record in England is superb and is more of a swing bowler

 

Dropping Bumrah doesn't mean a judgement on his ability.But clearly currently he's lacking the swing and zip off the pitch.

 

Why can't we 'rest' him?

 

 

Ishant is having major fitness issues in the last 2 years. Losing steam after a few overs. Felt the same this match. And he has been  missing series as well as matches rather frequently.

 

This is in sharp contrast to the Ishant till 2018, who just went on and on and was the workhorse.

 

This is the reason why I want Ishant replaced. It is risky to have 1 unfit paced among just 3.

 

Regarding Bumrah ...

 

1. This is the only test match where he has underperformed grossly. I don't think it is correct to drop a top performer based on 1 bad outing.

 

2. Bumrah bowled exceptionally in England in 2018. It is possible that he will get back his touch in the next game.

 

3. England in August will need more seam bowlers than swing bowlers. While it is the opposite in June.

 

4. If Bumrah looks totally off colour In the first test vs England too, then rethinking can be done and Avesh or Prasidh can be brought in.

 

 

 

 

Edited June 23, 2021 by express bowling

[kepler37b]

2 hours ago, sandsaims said:

Not sure why this doesnt get enough attention but terrible team selection costs the tam again. Playing 2 spinners in these conditions is just criminal and we might have to endure this till moron remains the captain.

Great leaders are strategic. The one who plays the long game wins.

 

You see this in war, politics and business. 

 

Kohli is a emotional fool. Cannot expect anything better from him.

 

 

[kepler37b]

1 hour ago, Lord said:

Spinners picked up 5 out off 12 wickets and didnt get to bowl on 4th 5th day pitch

But still it is a bad strategy. 

 

[Lord]

Just now, kepler37b said:

But still it is a bad strategy. 

 

 

how?Unless its a greentop,it will offer turn on 4th 5th day and both are good enough to exploit it

 

its essentially Ashwin v Thakur and Ashwin is highly skilled and experienced now

[Suhaan]

8 minutes ago, express bowling said:

 

Ishant is having major fitness issues in the last 2 years. Losing steam after a few overs. Felt the same this match. And he has been  missing series as well as matches rather frequently.

 

This is in sharp contrast to the Ishant till 2018, who just went on and on and was the workhorse.

 

This is the reason why I want Ishant replaced. It is risky to have 1 unfit paced among just 3.

 

Regarding Bumrah ...

 

1. This is the only test match where he has underperformed grossly. I don't think it is correct to drop a top performer based on 1 bad outing.

 

2. Bumrah bowled exceptionally in England in 2018. It is possible that he will get back his touch in the next game.

 

3. England in August will need more seam bowlers than swing bowlers. While it is the opposite in June.

 

4. If Bumrah looks totally off colour In the first test vs England too, then rethinking can be done and Avesh or Prasidh can be brought in.

 

 

 

 

No need to deem him as our best pacer,let someone else take over

He's one of the top bowlers in India,but 4 ICC KOs are no kess for him to prove his mettle 

We need him , can't drop him on emotions,seems one of the guys who don't want to take onus as a whole might as well share it and do the damage to opposition

[express bowling]

41 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

No need to deem him as our best pacer,let someone else take over

 

For team selection purpose, the only relevant issue is whether he is among our top 3 pacers.

 

The best pacer tag is only of theoretical importance, isn't it. ?

 

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He's one of the top bowlers in India,but 4 ICC KOs are no kess for him to prove his mettle 

We need him , can't drop him on 

 

Agree.

Edited June 23, 2021 by express bowling

[jusarrived]

This is pretty much the same team we wer playing under Dhoni 7 years before  lol 

 

[AKane]

I am seeing this "Spinners picked 5 of 12 wickets" a lot....

 

Its a deceptive statement as Ashwin picked 4 of 12 wickets and Jadeja picked 1 of 12( the last one in first innings when they were wildly hitting).

Nobody is questioning Ashwin's selection - most people are questioning Jadeja's selection.

 

[Lord]

Just now, AKane said:

I am seeing this "Spinners picked 5 of 12 wickets" a lot....

 

Its a deceptive statement as Ashwin picked 4 of 12 wickets and Jadeja picked 1 of 12( the last one in first innings when they were wildly hitting).

Nobody is questioning Ashwin's selection - most people are questioning Jadeja's selection.

 

 

Jadeja was picked as a batting AR. Averaged 50 odd in WTC coming into the final

 

Ashwin wasnt gonna bat at 7

[AKane]

7 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Jadeja was picked as a batting AR. Averaged 50 odd in WTC coming into the final

 

Ashwin wasnt gonna bat at 7

 

The AR part is the issue - it makes it 2 spinners. As expected he was not effective in the bowling dept and with 2 of 5 bowlers not contributing(Jadeja and Bumrah) it all fell apart after 135/5. Bumrah's performance was a unpleasant surprise, Jadeja's with the ball was as expected.

[RedFever]

Washington Sundar over Jadeja would have definitely boosted the batting, even if India coul dhave managed to play around 10 overs more in the 2nd innings, the match could have been saved.

[kepler37b]

8 hours ago, Lord said:

 

how?Unless its a greentop,it will offer turn on 4th 5th day and both are good enough to exploit it

 

its essentially Ashwin v Thakur and Ashwin is highly skilled and experienced now

Pick ashwin alone. This is not a sub continent pitch. One master spinner must be enough. 

 

Should have picked a seamer who can bat ok in place of jaddu. 

 

 

 

[Lord]

6 hours ago, kepler37b said:

Pick ashwin alone. This is not a sub continent pitch. One master spinner must be enough. 

 

Should have picked a seamer who can bat ok in place of jaddu. 

 

 

 

 

Ashwin is not a no.7

 

Unless Pandya bowls we dont have a decent batsmen who can bowl seam

 

Jaddu had great batting numbers in WTC. His only backup is Vihari.He's picked more for his batting

 

 

 

[express bowling]

13 hours ago, RedFever said:

Washington Sundar over Jadeja would have definitely boosted the batting, even if India coul dhave managed to play around 10 overs more in the 2nd innings, the match could have been saved.

 

Jadeja is averaging 50.6 with the bat in test matches in the last 3.5 years, from 17 tests.

 

He is a proper batsman now.

 

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_average;qualmax1=50000;qualmin1=500;qualval1=runs;spanmax2=24+Jun+2021;spanmin2=01+Jan+2018;spanval2=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

Edited June 24, 2021 by express bowling

[Lord]

14 hours ago, AKane said:

 

The AR part is the issue - it makes it 2 spinners. As expected he was not effective in the bowling dept and with 2 of 5 bowlers not contributing(Jadeja and Bumrah) it all fell apart after 135/5. Bumrah's performance was a unpleasant surprise, Jadeja's with the ball was as expected.

 

he's a batsman more

 

and we barely had 3.5 days of play.Spinners come into play on Day 4&5. He was getting turn towards the end but it was too late

[Lord]

13 hours ago, RedFever said:

Washington Sundar over Jadeja would have definitely boosted the batting, even if India coul dhave managed to play around 10 overs more in the 2nd innings, the match could have been saved.

 

that's hindsight.Both performed in Aus.

 

Sundar could have replaced a batsman too

[Jay]

On 6/24/2021 at 8:31 PM, express bowling said:

 

Jadeja is averaging 50.6 with the bat in test matches in the last 3.5 years, from 17 tests.

 

He is a proper batsman now.

 

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;orderby=batting_average;qualmax1=50000;qualmin1=500;qualval1=runs;spanmax2=24+Jun+2021;spanmin2=01+Jan+2018;spanval2=span;team=6;template=results;type=batting

Sundar more a replacement for useless bone head pujara. Would have scored 30 odd. Sundar is also clutch as *. 

 

Jammu wouldn't trouble him due to his height and ability to play all shots.