Dery Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Kohli & Bumrah will underperform. Link to comment
Frustrated Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 11 minutes ago, CodeOfWisden said: Oh come on Shankar isn't the solution, We actually need Hardik Pandya fit and firing and maybe even Shardul can perform that role if he focuses a bit more on his batting. On our 2018 tour of England, pandya was fit and played almost all matches. But was pathetic with the bat. Never survived more than 20 balls, if I recall. He simply does not hv the technique to survive in England. Yes, shankar is not good either. So, we don't hv anyone other than shardul as a genuine allrounder. CodeOfWisden 1 Link to comment
neel roy Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 I remember long back when I first came to England I went to a cricket club and signed up to play. It was a glorious july afternoon and I was in my whites ( yes its pretty strict in clubs as well). We were batting..So around 3.30 in afternoon it started becoming cloudy. Just the edge of the sky.. sun was still seeping through.. and then started the pandemomium.. a medium pace bowler ( who would actually lose to kumbles faster ) and looked a bit like Jack leavh with glasses started hooping the ball.. i was batting at no 7 and it was 2 down. In blink of an eye it was 5 down.. believe me i have never seen like this and you wont know unless you are in the middle of the pitch.. the first ball was literally starting at assume kanyakumari going through madhya pradesh and reached punjab and suddenly it moved to rajasthan.. i couldnt even move my bat as the ball alreay left.. and i heard groans ( oye hoye) from the wicketkeeper ( he was a sardar from jalandhar.. good mates now).. believe me i couldnt lay bat on to ball as it snaked just at the last minute.. its like trying to catch the falling kite on terrace and it sways away at the last min.. that day standing there mid of pitch in england i had new found respect for the indian players who we bash all day for not playing well Overseas. I realised that unless you play in those conditions regularly its very difficult to just lay bat on to the ball.. dont ask how much I scored as thats for another day but the moot point is , you have to regularly play county just to master the art of playing late..or else every ball you ll hear the groan..from the wicketkeeper..and then sound of nick you know from where.. kohli 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 33 minutes ago, CodeOfWisden said: Oh come on Shankar isn't the solution, We actually need Hardik Pandya fit and firing and maybe even Shardul can perform that role if he focuses a bit more on his batting. Shankar is a proper test bat who can Bowl a bit. With Hardik, you are not sure of anything. Sandeep99 and Frustrated 2 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, rkt.india said: With Hardik, you are not sure of anything. I see you've finally seen the light Link to comment
Sandeep99 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 Hardik is a T20 bully. Legend in IPL and fits well in Indian T20 squad. Nothing less or nothing more. Shankar was one of the few batsmen who looked at ease during the wretched NZ tour of 2020. He can definitely play a supporting role at 6/7 and make some useful contributions lower down the order. It's unfortunate that the current team selection is clueless. Why would you pick 3 spinners and 1 medium pace allrounder to tour England?! Link to comment
Lone Wolf Posted August 3, 2021 Author Share Posted August 3, 2021 No point discussing about Hardik & Shankar. Their test career is either over or will never see the light of the day. Better to make peace with it. I am concerned about our bowling especially Bumrah.. Will he turn the tide? Sgattick10 and Frustrated 2 Link to comment
Nikola Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, Sandeep99 said: Hardik is a T20 bully. Legend in IPL and fits well in Indian T20 squad. Nothing less or nothing more. Shankar was one of the few batsmen who looked at ease during the wretched NZ tour of 2020. He can definitely play a supporting role at 6/7 and make some useful contributions lower down the order. It's unfortunate that the current team selection is clueless. Why would you pick 3 spinners and 1 medium pace allrounder to tour England?! We picked 4. Ashwin Jadeja Sundar Axar Sandeep99 1 Link to comment
Serpico Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 minute ago, Nikola said: We picked 4. Ashwin Jadeja Sundar Axar 5. don't forget Jayant Link to comment
rkt.india Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, Serpico said: 5. don't forget Jayant Jayant is picked? Link to comment
Ankit_sharma03 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 23 minutes ago, Serpico said: 5. don't forget Jayant Jayant isnt being taken to england only sky n shaw are going Link to comment
Sandeep99 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 28 minutes ago, Serpico said: 5. don't forget Jayant I think media jumped the gun and reported Jayant when they heard Yadav. It's actually Sky going. But we never know with the clown. He is capable of taking the 5th spinner to England. Link to comment
shychipmunk Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 1 hour ago, neel roy said: I remember long back when I first came to England I went to a cricket club and signed up to play. It was a glorious july afternoon and I was in my whites ( yes its pretty strict in clubs as well). We were batting..So around 3.30 in afternoon it started becoming cloudy. Just the edge of the sky.. sun was still seeping through.. and then started the pandemomium.. a medium pace bowler ( who would actually lose to kumbles faster ) and looked a bit like Jack leavh with glasses started hooping the ball.. i was batting at no 7 and it was 2 down. In blink of an eye it was 5 down.. believe me i have never seen like this and you wont know unless you are in the middle of the pitch.. the first ball was literally starting at assume kanyakumari going through madhya pradesh and reached punjab and suddenly it moved to rajasthan.. i couldnt even move my bat as the ball alreay left.. and i heard groans ( oye hoye) from the wicketkeeper ( he was a sardar from jalandhar.. good mates now).. believe me i couldnt lay bat on to ball as it snaked just at the last minute.. its like trying to catch the falling kite on terrace and it sways away at the last min.. that day standing there mid of pitch in england i had new found respect for the indian players who we bash all day for not playing well Overseas. I realised that unless you play in those conditions regularly its very difficult to just lay bat on to the ball.. dont ask how much I scored as thats for another day but the moot point is , you have to regularly play county just to master the art of playing late..or else every ball you ll hear the groan..from the wicketkeeper..and then sound of nick you know from where.. We actually don't bash Indian batsman for their overseas failures, we bash them for their arrogance even after failing! Link to comment
Sandeep99 Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 33 minutes ago, Sgattick10 said: He's advocating for the same XI that played the WTC final except for Rahul replacing Gill. I like Jaffer but feel he's also pandering to the current team management. Sgattick10 1 Link to comment
CodeOfWisden Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 3 hours ago, R!TTER said: Shankar would be useful only if he could feature in the top 6/7 in the batting order, ahead of Pant. His bowling is at best CDG level, so barely a holding role in Eng. Anyway no point in debating over wishful selections or scenarios, you can almost bet that if God tried to hand the series on a platter Brat would be like Shankar's bowling is nowhere near Grandhomme, if he was that good our allrounder problem would have been solved. Grandhomme can blow away opposition on home tracks, Vijay is at best a Paul Collingwood level bowler who wouldn't do much damage. kohli 1 Link to comment
CodeOfWisden Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 3 hours ago, rkt.india said: Shankar is a proper test bat who can Bowl a bit. With Hardik, you are not sure of anything. Shankar is not a proper test bat. Link to comment
CodeOfWisden Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Frustrated said: On our 2018 tour of England, pandya was fit and played almost all matches. But was pathetic with the bat. Never survived more than 20 balls, if I recall. He simply does not hv the technique to survive in England. Yes, shankar is not good either. So, we don't hv anyone other than shardul as a genuine allrounder. Bro first tour of England and that too for an allrounder, we can't judge him based on that, you can see how Stokes performed this year in India. Pandya definitely has the potential but his commitment is questionable. Also we won a single match on that tour and that was coz of Pandya. Link to comment
CodeOfWisden Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 3 hours ago, Jay said: Shankae is the solution. He is perfect for these conditions. Everyone outside the team looks like a perfect fit until they get in and get destroyed. Shankar isn't good enough, Shardul is way better and he will prove it in this tour itself. kohli 1 Link to comment
rkt.india Posted August 3, 2021 Share Posted August 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, CodeOfWisden said: Everyone outside the team looks like a perfect fit until they get in and get destroyed. Shankar isn't good enough, Shardul is way better and he will prove it in this tour itself. Shardul is a bowler who can bat a bit. Shankar is a batsman who can Bowl a bit. Both are not each other's competitor. Shankar is #6 batsman. Shardul #8. Link to comment
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