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Looking at test matches in the last 10 years at Old Trafford, there seems to be some important cues that Kohli might want to consider.

1. It is definitely a bat first pitch. 7 of the last 8 matches here have produced results out of which the team batting first have won 5 times.

2. England have won twice bowling first against India in 2014 and against Pakistan in 2020. However even in the Pak game someone like Shan Masood scored a 150 in the 1st innings and Eng were 117/5 chasing 277 when Buttler and Woakes saved the day.

3. Indias performance here in 2014 seems to be an outlier. We were reeling from the loss at Southampton, Kohli was woefully out of form and so were the others. We were reduced to 8/4 at one stage which I don't see happening this time around.

4. Swann, Moeen and Roston Chase have 5w hauls here in the last 10 years. Yasir Shah also has a 8w match haul in 2020. Moeens record here is particularly good. However if it rains it might not aid spin as much (WTC final). 

 

Please add other insights and selection choices.

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With plenty of rain expected and 1-2 scoreline, expecting a green top, more like African grassland. They will try for a 3 day finish, even if they are at risk of going down 1-3 they will take the gamble and try to eke out a win in a low scoring shootout. Maybe 7+4 for them with no spin option, Root will be more than enough in that case. So not playing a spinner won't be a bad option for us, with rain/light related interruptions quicks will get plenty of breathers.

 

No Siraj for me, he is done for the series, absolutely done. 

 

And high time we drop Rahane. 

 

Maybe Prasidh replaces Bumrah? Only if latter is too tired to take the field....ideally I'd want him to play this test and sit out of the WC, good chance he gets man of the series from Indian side...in Eng there are 2 MOTS awards, one for each team. Too big a test match for this team's legacy, this bowling attack's legacy, Bumrah's legacy.  

 

Probably Jaddu makes it as a batsman? Dunno, or we can try 2 out of Vihari, Mayank, SKY...maybe Vihari one of the 2 since he can bowl. 

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1 minute ago, Gollum said:

With plenty of rain expected and 1-2 scoreline, expecting a green top, more like African grassland. They will try for a 3 day finish, even if they are at risk of going down 1-3 they will take the gamble and try to eke out a win. Maybe 7+4 for them with no spin option. So not playing a spinner won't be a bad option for us, with rain/light related interruptions quicks will get plenty of breathers.

 

No Siraj for me, he is done for the series, absolutely done. 

 

And high time we drop Rahane. 

 

Maybe Prasidh replaces Bumrah? Only if latter is too tired to take the field. 

 

Probably Jaddu makes it as a batsman? 

All comes down to the overhead conditions/ weather. Dropping Rahane is a must. And we shouldn't be complacent thinking rain will save us. We managed to bat only 80 odd overs in two innings in 2014

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9 minutes ago, Forward Defence said:

All comes down to the overhead conditions/ weather. Dropping Rahane is a must. And we shouldn't be complacent thinking rain will save us. We managed to bat only 80 odd overs in two innings in 2014

They did win 5th test of Ashes 2019 to level that series 2-2. And that Aus had GOAT Smith who had a 780 runs Ashes in 3 tests basically (got concussed in one of them), 2019 Smith alone was mightier than this Indian team minus Rohit. Never underestimate a home side. 

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7 minutes ago, Gollum said:

They did win 5th test of Ashes 2019 to level that series 2-2. And that Aus had GOAT Smith who had a 780 runs Ashes in 3 tests basically (got concussed in one of them), 2019 Smith alone was mightier than this Indian team minus Rohit. Never underestimate a home side. 

Australia won in Manchester. The 5th test was at the Oval where England won. Smith got a double century batting first.

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Anderson Broad and Woakes all have terrific records here. Anderson averages 22.95 Woakes 18.47 and Broad 17.67 in the last 10 years. Archer has played 3 times here and averages 40.5. Wood hasn't played in Manchester yet

Hazlewood and Cummins have done well in the 2019 Ashes match here. Starc wasn't as good.

All stats seem to indicate that extra pace won't guarantee success at Old Trafford. If Prasidh plays he must get the ball to move away. Same goes for the others.

 

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20 minutes ago, Gollum said:

They did win 5th test of Ashes 2019 to level that series 2-2. And that Aus had GOAT Smith who had a 780 runs Ashes in 3 tests basically (got concussed in one of them), 2019 Smith alone was mightier than this Indian team minus Rohit. Never underestimate a home side. 

780 runs Jesus's. What a player. Kohli can only dream of such things. 

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Probably the most relevant stat is England's record at this ground. They have lost only twice in the 21st century in 16 matches and won 12 times. The only loss other than the 2019 loss to Australia was way back in 2001 against Pakistan. Inzamam scored a century and 85 and Saqlain got 4 in the 4th innings aided by good bowling from Wasim Waqar and Razzaq. 

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Pitch and overhead conditions will be key factors in deciding team composition.

 

We Should bat first even if we win the toss and conditions favour swing bowling. This is because England has shown that they cannot withstand the pressure of batting in the 4th innings and they invariably crumble.

 

Don't play semi-fit pacers.

Fit pacers are Bumrah, Umesh and Prasidh. 

Semi-fit pacers are Siraj and Ishant. 

They have to assess Shami's fitness.

 

We must strengthen our batting. Rahane must be replaced. And we must have batting till 8 in the form of Shardul and Jadeja / Ashwin.

 

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18 minutes ago, Jay said:

780 runs Jesus's. What a player. Kohli can only dream of such things. 

Why Steven Smith's 2019 Ashes batting performance is the greatest of all time in a series

 

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Not just Kohli, no one in history comes close, that was the GOAT batting performance, what's even more impressive is that he came to that series after serving one year ban when there were murmurs about him not being #1 anymore.

 

144, 142 Edgbaston

92 concussion Lord's (Labu came to bat in his place for remainder of the test)

<Missed third test due to concussion>

211, 82 Old Trafford

80, 23 Oval

 

If not for concussion he could have scored 1000+ runs in one *ing series that too away from home!!!!! 

 

Some say he scored that many only because Anderson got injured in first test. But Smith averages over 100 against Anderson in England, gave him a phainty in 2013 and 2015 Ashes. Probably averages 200 against him if you include his home Ashes feats. 

 

So funny when some ICFers downplay the significance of Ashwin's dominance over Smith in the Border-Gavaskar series recently. Kept the GOAT on a tight leash and bullied him in 2/3 tests. 

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14 minutes ago, Forward Defence said:

Was browsing through the 21st century scorecards at this ground. There is barely a match where spinners haven't made an impact. Monty Panesar has two MOM performances. Swann has two 5 wicket hauls. Vettori and Shakib has one 5w haul each. Even in our pathetic display in 2014 Moeen got 4 wickets in the second innings on the 3rd day. 

Ashwin anybody?

Historically OT is second best ground for spin in UK, number one being Oval.

 

OT saw Warne's 'Ball of the Century' to Gatting. 

 

But think Eng may go for a green top here. From their pov why lay out a normal track when there is so much rain around and they are 1-2 behind. We would have done the same if put in a similar situation at home, a rank turner in our case. 

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5 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Why Steven Smith's 2019 Ashes batting performance is the greatest of all time in a series

 

Story Image

 

Not just Kohli, no one in history comes close, that was the GOAT batting performance, what's even more impressive is that he came to that series after serving one year ban when there were murmurs about him not being #1 anymore.

 

144, 142 Edgbaston

92 concussion Lord's (Labu came to bat in his place for remainder of the test)

<Missed third test due to concussion>

211, 82 Old Trafford

80, 23 Oval

 

If not for concussion he could have scored 1000+ runs in one *ing series that too away from home!!!!! 

 

Some say he scored that many only because Anderson got injured in first test. But Smith averages over 100 against Anderson in England, gave him a phainty in 2013 and 2015 Ashes. Probably averages 200 against him if you include his home Ashes feats. 

 

So funny when some ICFers downplay the significance of Ashwin's dominance over Smith in the Border-Gavaskar series recently. Kept the GOAT on a tight leash and bullied him in 2/3 tests. 

Love the point about Ashwin. Watching our bowlers in 2014 15 in Australia exhausted me as a viewer . I shudder to think what effect it might have had on Ishant Umesh Aaron and Shami. Virats batting performances soothed the hurt caused to a certain extent. Without that maybe Ishant's performances may have invited stricter scrutiny and we would have never had Ishant 2.0

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39 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Why Steven Smith's 2019 Ashes batting performance is the greatest of all time in a series

 

Story Image

 

Not just Kohli, no one in history comes close, that was the GOAT batting performance, what's even more impressive is that he came to that series after serving one year ban when there were murmurs about him not being #1 anymore.

 

144, 142 Edgbaston

92 concussion Lord's (Labu came to bat in his place for remainder of the test)

<Missed third test due to concussion>

211, 82 Old Trafford

80, 23 Oval

 

If not for concussion he could have scored 1000+ runs in one *ing series that too away from home!!!!! 

 

Some say he scored that many only because Anderson got injured in first test. But Smith averages over 100 against Anderson in England, gave him a phainty in 2013 and 2015 Ashes. Probably averages 200 against him if you include his home Ashes feats. 

 

So funny when some ICFers downplay the significance of Ashwin's dominance over Smith in the Border-Gavaskar series recently. Kept the GOAT on a tight leash and bullied him in 2/3 tests. 

Only one man can get smith right now. His name boom boom bumrah. Bumrah dismissing smith in that second test turned things around for india. 

 

What a bowler he is. Best ever Asian pacer imo of all time based on his exploits alone. I don't give a crap about longevity. Yes longevity matters but his impact, ability to dismantle teams single handedly and how unplayable he is when he is on song makes him the best ever Asian pacer. 

 

 

You are ebaoksutely right. Smith is GOAT. What a player he truly is. 

 

he is equal to 4 players. Serious man. Taking him out is like taking 4 players out. 

 

Australian team is very underrated. Smith Warner labsuhagne their bowling plus Paine who is probably their second best keeper bat after Gilly is a great side. 

 

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1 hour ago, express bowling said:

Pitch and overhead conditions will be key factors in deciding team composition.

 

We Should bat first even if we win the toss and conditions favour swing bowling. This is because England has shown that they cannot withstand the pressure of batting in the 4th innings and they invariably crumble.

 

Don't play unfit pacers. Fit pacers are Bumrah, Umesh and Prasidh.  Unfit pacers are Siraj and Ishant.  They have to assess Shami's fitness.

 

We must strengthen our batting. Rahane must be replaced. And we must have batting till 8 in the form of Shardul and Jadeja / Ashwin.

 

If you get out at 78 batting, 99.99 you will lose. 

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10 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

If you get out at 78 batting, 99.99 you will lose. 

 

 

Yes.

 

But getting out for 78 cannot be justified. Which is why the batting needs to be strengthened and batters must apply themselves.

 

Don't defend deliveries that are clearly not hitting the stumps ... don't poke outside the off stump ... defend with soft hands .... play late ... put away the loose balls.

 

They know all of the above and are capable of implementing all of the above if they apply their minds to the task.

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18 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

With rain around I am not sure batting first will be a good idea.  Pitch will definately not take turn as game will constantly be interrupted. 

Hopefully we drop Rahane & get SKY/Mayank in.  Quick run scoring will ultimately help. 

 

Even if it does not turn, this England side is very poor against pacers in the 4th innings.

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One strategy can be to play all 3, I.e. Jadeja , Ashwin and Thakur(a sure starter already) at 6 7 and 8. Umesh Shami and Bumrah can be 9 10 11. But this means playing Pant at 5 and depending too much on an iffy batting order to fire. 

Conventional wisdom would be to play a proper batsman (SKY by the looks of things) at 5 and play the lone spinner. Who that spinner will be is up for debate.

 

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