Will ECB be ruthless with Eoin Morgan? (Update: MORGAN RETIRES)

[sage]

A key cornerstone for England's limited overs revival and prowess in the last 5-6 years has been their ruthlessness and focus on analytics and data. They have done a complete makeover of their team, focused on removing any aspect of selfishness / playing for milestones (punishing players for not giving it their all running on the last ball etc.). The likes of Ed Smith as selector has been brutal and they have not been afraid to cut down big names. How will they deal with Eoin now experiencing over 20+ months of the most terrible form? He can be a factor between dragging the team to a loss or winning the cup and England has a very strong bench of skilled LO batsmen.

Edited June 28, 2022 by sage

[sandeep]

Metrics are different for different positions.

 

Morgan bats lower than 4 most of the time, the batting position that demands the maximum risk from batsmen.  

 

Players who bat there are always going to have subpar stats - this is not to dismiss Morgan's atrocious scoring slump in the IPL - just a general observation. 

 

Question is whether Morgan and his coach feel that he's genuinely in a form slump, or playing well but just 'unlucky'.  

[Ankit_sharma03]

This is his last 5 yrs in ODI

 

2017	20	18	1	3	3	1	107	781	45.94	98.74	3	0
2018	22	22	4	0	7	1	92	756	42.00	93.80	5	0
2019	21	18	3	2	5	1	148	791	52.73	112.20	7	0
2020	9	8	1	1	0	1	106	250	35.71	97.66	3	0
2021	4	3	1	0	1	0	75*	103	51.50	79.23	1	0

 

its good

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

In t20

 

2018	7	7	1	0	1	0	80*	158	26.33	141.07	3	0
2019	9	9	3	0	2	0	91	268	44.67	172.90	3	0
2020	11	10	2	0	3	0	66	276	34.50	168.29	4	0
2021	10	7	0	0	0	0	28	82	11.71	120.59	2	0

 

 

Only this yr has been bad, a top player deserves backing n his captaincy is of massive value

 

We look at IPL form way to srsly, ECB wnt and nobody shud . A player batting at that position will always have an inconsitent career

[sandeep]

players who can come in and start hitting boundaries, and that too against top-shelf bowling, are not common.  Its a high risk minimal consistency job. 

 

That's something that a lot of cricket fans grown up on ODI batting and years of accumulated cricket 'knowledge' and stats, have not properly adapted to. 

 

That's why a Hardik Pandya, for all the flak he gets for his "inconsistency" is so clearly valued by the Indian team.  Because of this skillset that he brings to the table.  It would not be beyond Pandya's batting abilities to bring his risks down and "improve his consistency".  But that's not the role he's asked to play for the team.  He's not Ben Stokes - who is not asked to play the berserker role by England, but more of a conventional middle order bat who can "go big" later in his innings.  

 

I drag Pandya into this discussion because the stats and 'ruthlessness' argument is similar in his case, but also to make Zen boi smile.  

[Ankit_sharma03]

22 minutes ago, sandeep said:

But that's not the role he's asked to play for the team.  He's not Ben Stokes - who is not asked to play the berserker role by England, but more of a conventional middle order bat who can "go big" later in his innings.  

he plays a very similar role to raina

As far as stokes goes since many give his xample for consistency including apna rohit ka deewana, well stokes own record in t20i is atrocious 

[sandeep]

3 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

he plays a very similar role to raina

As far as stokes goes since many give his xample for consistency including apna rohit ka deewana, well stokes own record in t20i is atrocious 

Because Stokes is a batsman who needs to get 'in' before he can start hitting.  He's not a short format batsman.  Still a quality player and valuable in his own way, but that just goes to show you how rare that skill of being able to have a high probability of boundary hitting success a couple of balls into your innings is.  

[R!TTER]

Probably because he's an import IIRC, they're generally a lot more lenient towards "native" Englishmen!

[The Realist]

Racks up more ducks than Kohli...

 

England’s new white-ball coach, Matthew Mott, gave his backing to his captain, Eoin Morgan, after England’s 3-0 thrashing of the Netherlands in Amsterdam. Morgan’s dismissal for ducks in the opening two games of the series before sitting out the third with a tight groin raised questions over his position.

[Vijy]

Morgan, or Morrigan (Irish war goddess) as he should be called, has done poorly this year, but did a very good job both as player and cap'n for several years. hence, I expect them to give him a long rope to get back to form.

[Nikhil_cric]

Hasnt actually done anything of note against a top ODI since the SA match last World Cup. 

T20I form has dropped off a cliff recently as well. 

[putrevus]

Wow some genius comparing Morgan to Pandya. Pandya is valued by his so called bowling five or six overs. Morgan can/has won matches on his own with his bat.When this guy Pandya does actually something  we can revist his so called value.

[sage]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/06/27/eoin-morgan-could-step-england-limited-overs-captain/

Eoin Morgan could step down as England limited-overs captain

Decision is expected in the coming days with Jos Buttler and Moeen Ali the two favourites to replace him

 

[Vijy]

36 minutes ago, sage said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2022/06/27/eoin-morgan-could-step-england-limited-overs-captain/

Eoin Morgan could step down as England limited-overs captain

Decision is expected in the coming days with Jos Buttler and Moeen Ali the two favourites to replace him

 

will believe it only when I see it.

[The Realist]

Cricbuzz:  Eoin Morgan is set to announce his international retirement tomorrow.

[nevada]

5 hours ago, The Realist said:

Cricbuzz:  Eoin Morgan is set to announce his international retirement tomorrow.

This is the right decision as he has nothing left to prove and at 35; isn't a young man with years left in his career. 

[The Realist]

2 hours ago, nevada said:

This is the right decision as he has nothing left to prove and at 35; isn't a young man with years left in his career. 

 

Kohli, Pujara & Sharma?

[sage]

Impressive, looks like the ECB did stick to their aggressive ruthless word and got rid of Morgan 

[BacktoCricaddict]

1 hour ago, sage said:

Impressive, looks like the ECB did stick to their aggressive ruthless word and got rid of Morgan 

Or Morgan himself has self-awarness that many others lack.  Either way, it's impressive. 

[Nikhil_cric]

Good decision. The kind of tough decision that Dhoni could not or rather would not take in 2018.