Summary of reasons for India's early exit (T20 WC 2021)

[rollingstoned]

There are many reasons but after the dust has settled and I've calmed down, fatigue and constantly being on the road for these many months has taken its toll. When required also the chops didn't fall in our favor ie toss and the match schedule. Good icc campaigns are as much about perfect storms as they are about putting together an efficient unit. On paper Australia look to.me a more flawed T20 team than us but they managed to win the whole thing. 

[deepdynamo]

Lack of role clarity and continuity.

 

Pick the last 20 T20 matches prior to world cup and you will see many players who were backed for certain positions and continuously picked but then later dumped or their positions changed.

 

 

 

 

[deepdynamo]

For the next T20 world cup or even ODI world cup, the one think I definitely want is consistency in selection and back the right players and give them game time.

If in ODI, Dhawan-Rohit-Kohli-Rahul-Pant is your top 5 then they must play all ODI games at those positions for good two years. Simultaneously, we must groom ready replacements for these 5 positions in case of any injury. Paddikal-Shaw-Gill-Sky-Kishan can be your backup.

 

In T20s, we can be even more adventurous but stick to backed players for consistent period of time and define their role and position.

 

Similarly, we need to identify bowlers for both ODI and T20 and persist with them.

 

 

[Try_Ball]

3 hours ago, New guy said:

Love how you keep blaming middle order and give pass to the experineced top order

 

Take a look at the world cup top XI scoreers and tell me how many lower order bats you see

 

 

 

Pant played 3 innings and in 2 scored 30 ball 39 and 13 ball 27 not out but he is a failure. However top 3 who failed EVERY single time is not to blame because they feasted on minnows later

 

Bhuvi, who bowled 3 overs in the entire series is to blame for the loss

 

And such an obvious agenda driven paid PR post is upvoted here. So how can you blame management or BCCI when fans thinking itself is rotten and designed to protect super stars over talented youngsters?

 

If you read proper, I did say Top order needs to sort itself out

 

You mean I can actually get paid for these posts?  How do I sign up?   So is the superstar protection like a monthly membership model or should I ask for a yearly retainer?

[Lord]

Lack of T20 talent

[zen]

Posted somewhere too but for reference here as well ... Stats v the 3 seeded teams in the group:

 

Batting

 

View overall figures

Primary team India

Opposition team Afghanistan  or New Zealand  or Pakistan

Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2021

Trophy ICC Men's T20 World Cup

Ordered by batting strike rate (descending)

 

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
HH Pandya	3	3	1	69	35*	34.50	45	153.33	0	0	0	7	2
RG Sharma	3	3	0	88	74	29.33	62	141.93	0	1	1	9	4
SA Yadav	2	1	0	11	11	11.00	8	137.50	0	0	0	1	1
RR Pant	3	3	1	78	39	39.00	62	125.80	0	0	0	3	5
B Kumar	1	1	1	5	5*	-	4	125.00	0	0	0	0	0
KL Rahul	3	3	0	90	69	30.00	72	125.00	0	1	0	9	2
RA Jadeja	3	2	1	39	26*	39.00	32	121.87	0	0	0	3	1
V Kohli	3	2	0	66	57	33.00	66	100.00	0	1	0	5	1
Ishan Kishan	1	1	0	4	4	4.00	8	50.00	0	0	0	1	0
SN Thakur	2	1	0	0	0	0.00	3	0.00	0	0	1	0	0
Mohammed Shami	3	2	2	0	0*	-	0	-	0	0	0	0	0

 

 

Bowling

 

View overall figures

Primary team India

Opposition team Afghanistan  or New Zealand  or Pakistan

Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2021

Trophy ICC Men's T20 World Cup

Ordered by bowling strike rate (ascending)

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	Overs	Mdns	Runs	Wkts	BBI	Ave	Econ	SR	4	5
R Ashwin	1	1	4.0	0	14	2	2/14	7.00	3.50	12.0	0	0
Mohammed Shami	3	3	8.5	0	86	3	3/32	28.66	9.73	17.6	0	0
JJ Bumrah	3	3	11.0	0	66	3	2/19	22.00	6.00	22.0	0	0
RA Jadeja	3	3	9.0	0	70	1	1/19	70.00	7.77	54.0	0	0
B Kumar	1	1	3.0	0	25	0	-	-	8.33	-	0	0
HH Pandya	3	2	4.0	0	40	0	-	-	10.00	-	0	0
SN Thakur	2	2	4.3	0	48	0	-	-	10.66	-	0	0
CV Varun	2	2	8.0	0	56	0	-	-	7.00	-	0	0

[zen]

the avg*SR for batsmen and bowlers ... min 2 innings (from the data in the post above):

 

Batsmen (Avg*SR - higher the better for batsmen)

SDP 5,290 

Pant 4,906

Jadeja 4,753

Rohit 4,162

KL 3,750

Kohli 3,300

 

Bowlers (Avg*SR - lower the better for bowlers)

Bumrah 484

Shami 504

Jadeja 3,780 

 

 

 

Edited November 15, 2021 by zen

[coffee_rules]

31 minutes ago, zen said:

the avg*SR for batsmen and bowlers ... min 2 innings (from the data in the post above):

 

Batsmen (Avg*SR - higher the better for batsmen)

SDP 5,290 

Pant 4,906

Jadeja 4,753

Rohit 4,162

KL 3,750

Kohli 3,300

 

Bowlers (Avg*SR - lower the better for bowlers)

Bumrah 484

Shami 504

Jadeja 3,780 

 

 

 

Ave in T20 is useless stat, most batmen playing below 5 will usually be n/o. Hardik's ave is boosted by 34* against minnow Afg 

[zen]

7 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Ave in T20 is useless stat, most batmen playing below 5 will usually be n/o. Hardik's ave is boosted by 34* against minnow Afg 

 

You have issues about SDP's average but no concern that KL and Rohit did zilch v two major teams despite having the opportunities to bat for more balls, in PPs, etc.

 

Don't worry about SDP, worry about those way below him ... 

Edited November 15, 2021 by zen

[coffee_rules]

12 minutes ago, zen said:

 

You have issues about SDP's average but no concern that KL and Rohit did zilch v two major teams despite having the opportunities to bat for more balls, in PPs, etc.

 

Don't worry about SDP, worry about those way below him ... 

Just point your flawed analysys statmining efforts to show somehow him topping your list. His 23 off 24 is not called steadying the ship. tuk tuk done

[zen]

3 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

Just point your flawed analysys statmining efforts to show somehow him topping your list. His 23 off 24 is not called steadying the ship. tuk tuk done

 

SDP could play his natural game if the team was not 48/4 and then 70/5 

 

 

 

 

Edited November 15, 2021 by zen

[maniac]

4 minutes ago, zen said:

 

SDP could play his natural game if the team was not 48/4 and then 70/5 

 

 

 

 

Ravi Shastri and Kohli both said India could have been more “brave” vs Nzl and that’s the cause of our exit. That was in reference to the 71 balls without boundary.

 

I wonder who was the phattu they were talking about

[zen]

Just now, maniac said:

Ravi Shastri and Kohli both said India could have been more “brave” vs Nzl and that’s the cause of our exit. That was in reference to the 71 balls without boundary.

 

I wonder who was the phattu they were talking about

 

Kohli, Pant & Thakur hit zero boundaries for e.g. ... Ind of course was 48/4 and 70/5 

[maniac]

Just now, zen said:

 

Kohli, Pant & Thakur hit zero boundaries for e.g. ... Ind of course was 48/4 and 70/5 

so Hardik was being “brave” or not ?

[zen]

2 minutes ago, maniac said:

so Hardik was being “brave” or not ?

 

Yes. If you watched his inning, many of his shots were stopped by brilliant NZ fielding including a 6 that was reduced to a 2 by a superb effort. Got out going for a 6 ... Not to forget having to rebuild two times at 48/4 and 70/5!

Edited November 15, 2021 by zen

[putrevus]

Toss and scheduling. Overnight Indian players did not become bad players. India is top4 team in all formats and to win the cup you need some luck. Rohit and Kohli should quit playing in t20s sooner than later. 

 

 

[coffee_rules]

47 minutes ago, zen said:

 

SDP could play his natural game if the team was not 48/4 and then 70/5 

 

 

 

 

IOW, he comes in to tonk a few after the top order laid a foundation. No rescue act is to be expected from him. Nobody has 'watched' him do that   

[zen]

1 minute ago, coffee_rules said:

IOW, he comes in to tonk a few after the top order laid a foundation. No rescue act is to be expected from him. Nobody has 'watched' him do that   

That is what you would do if you have a few overs to go  

 

Difficult to rescue a team that is 48/4 and then 70/5. One needs to play SDP in the top 4 in T20s so Ind is not in such positions and he can single handedly win games

 

In the longer formats, he has many 80s and 90s. 

[putrevus]

The more we keep hacks like Pandya away from this team , the better it will be for the team in all formats moving forward.Test team is prime example once this hack was kicked out it instantly became 100 times better.

[vvvslaxman]

15 minutes ago, coffee_rules said:

IOW, he comes in to tonk a few after the top order laid a foundation. No rescue act is to be expected from him. Nobody has 'watched' him do that   

 

Australia must be thrilled not to have such a guy like him in their side. They were staring down the barrell at 96/5.