Countdown to India vs Pakistan WTC Final at Lords

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, First class said:

I don't think Pakistan has any chance of making it to the WTC final. Team has made some progress but not by much.  Abid and Azhar are not good enough against quality fast bowling which Australia and England have , even on home condition. These are from along list of Pakistani batsmen who would feast on poor bowling attacks to keep their average high enough and stay in the team. I would include Younis Khan also in the same category . Fawad will not last too long. They should have tested some new middle orders batsmen like Saude Shkeel and Ghulam by now .  Abdullah Shafiq looks promising but its too early to rate him very high. No quality spinner to run though any visiting team even on spinning track . If Nauman and Sajid Khan are their best test  spinner , its a worrisome situation. Zafar Gohar should have been given a long run. Babar is not a good captain who can bring best out of his team and could lead team to a final. Pakistan lost T20 WC SF also due to his poor captaincy . Fast bowling has improved with Shaheen keep getting better and some support from Hasan and Dhahani and Naseem as back up. Pakistan will remain below India, England, Australia and New Zealand in test ranking , for at least 5-6 years.  

 

     There are some very promising young batsmen in domestic circuit but they need many years and some sensible and bold selection .  A selector like Mahammad Wasim who is so insecure about his job is unlikely to make many changes at right time.  Azhar Ali should have been dropped ( no one retires in Pakistan ) 3 years ago. 

seems a bit pessimistic. fawad can easily play till 40+ - he's like misbah. and babar is v. good, rizwan even better. that's 3 solid players in top 6. agree that spin bowling stocks look weak.

Edited December 4, 2021 by Vijy

[Iconoclast]

7 hours ago, Norman said:

Would like to know how the resident pak posters rate their chances of reaching the final. 

 

@First class @Autonomous @cric_fan @badmash @Finer

 

All these home series but our spin bowling is weak. Yasir is old and injured. The current two spinners selected aren't very good.

 

Also we dropped a close match in the West Indies and now we are gonna draw this rain/bad light affected match.

 

I would say it will be India vs New Zealand/Australia in the final

[Jay]

12 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

NZ will qualify.  By avoiding a 2-0 in India they have made Their case stronger. 

They will face England away next year again for 3 tests..  Even a 3-0 victory isn't far fetched for them. 

All they have to do is win a home series vs South Africa which is the clincher here.  Pak will find hard to beat them at home or UAE again... 

India NZ Pak..  Only these three sides have a realistic shot at finals. 

 

I think you are in for a shock. England can pull off an upset vs Kiwis. England get stronger as the series goes on. I think England wins 2 -1 this time with stokes, Archer woakes back 

[R!TTER]

7 hours ago, Iconoclast said:

I would say it will be India vs New Zealand/Australia in the final

It won't be NZ that's for sure, their "luck" has run out!

[Sean Bradley]

Good luck to you if you are putting your money on Pak Beating Australia & England in a test series, they have a chance against NZ but it's still in the favour of kiwis 60-40. This is not happening. 

[Jay]

14 minutes ago, Sean Bradley said:

Good luck to you if you are putting your money on Pak Beating Australia & England in a test series, they have a chance against NZ but it's still in the favour of kiwis 60-40. This is not happening. 

At home? They can beat both. Kiwis are their worst match up.

[rageaddict]

How many matches did England and Australia win against Pakistan in UAE ? Don't remember a single match won by these teams during Pakistans exile from home in the last decade. 

 

Pakistanis will make these Poms and Aussies dance in their home conditions. 

 

The English for example are the biggest b*tchs of Pakistan at home. England may win a Test in India or even a series ( like in 2012 ) but against Pakistan they are guaranteed a loss. Not even a single Test victory.

Edited December 5, 2021 by rageaddict

[rageaddict]

This is Pakistan's record against England and Australia in the last ten years ( at home/neutral venue )

 

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/stats/index.html?class=1;filter=advanced;home_or_away=1;home_or_away=3;opposition=1;opposition=2;orderby=won;spanmax1=05+Dec+2021;spanmin1=05+Dec+2011;spanval1=span;team=7;template=results;type=team

 

Not even a single loss in 10 Test matches. 

 

They whitewashed SA in home test series earlier this year.

 

Meanwhile in the same period, India lost a Test series to England , another test in 2021 and lost a Test to Australia at home .

[rageaddict]

The last time Pakistan lost a Home/UAE Test to either England or Australia was 20 years back.

[Lone Wolf]

31 minutes ago, Jay said:

At home? They can beat both. Kiwis are their worst match up.

Nah only SENA side to not lose a series vs Pak home or away since 2011...  Which match up are you talking about?   NZ always beats Pakistan in test series in last 10 years. 

[Lone Wolf]

8 minutes ago, rageaddict said:

The last time Pakistan lost a Home/UAE Test to either England or Australia was 20 years back.

Australia will win the Rawalpindi test match of they tour Pakistan full strength.  In UAE they left out Cummins last time. 

Pindi track suits Pace & bounce & Australia will love it.  They will lose the Karachi test on a dustbowl. 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, Jay said:

I think you are in for a shock. England can pull off an upset vs Kiwis. England get stronger as the series goes on. I think England wins 2 -1 this time with stokes, Archer woakes back 

NZ will come more prepared...  Taylor will be gone after his farewell match this year in NZ.   

Conway Latham Kane Young Blundell are better than England batting.  Archer is useless in England.  Anderson is old & doesn't troubles Kiwis.  Robinson is only bowler they have.  Overton is cr*p. 

Southee Jamieson Boult Wagner better than whatever cr*p England brings. 

 

[Jay]

15 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Nah only SENA side to not lose a series vs Pak home or away since 2011...  Which match up are you talking about?   NZ always beats Pakistan in test series in last 10 years. 

Yes Kiwis are their worst matchup. That's what I said lol. 

[Jay]

7 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

NZ will come more prepared...  Taylor will be gone after his farewell match this year in NZ.   

Conway Latham Kane Young Blundell are better than England batting.  Archer is useless in England.  Anderson is old & doesn't troubles Kiwis.  Robinson is only bowler they have.  Overton is cr*p. 

Southee Jamieson Boult Wagner better than whatever cr*p England brings. 

 

Wags 35 although he is decently fit

Boult is past his prime now tbh

Kyle is a beast

Southee is class

Daryl Mitchell is a decent support

 

Vs england;

1)Ollie Robinson

2)Archer /broad

3)Stone Will play 1 game and get injured. Wood to replace him 

4)Woakes

5) moeen ali

6) buttler

7) stokes

8) bairstow

9)root

10) malan

11) hameed

 

I think it's very even. Stokes root buttler Robinson woakes will trouble Kiwis alot. I am going with 2 - 1 England. 

 

 

 

[First class]

5 hours ago, rageaddict said:

How many matches did England and Australia win against Pakistan in UAE ? Don't remember a single match won by these teams during Pakistans exile from home in the last decade. 

 

Pakistanis will make these Poms and Aussies dance in their home conditions. 

 

The English for example are the biggest b*tchs of Pakistan at home. England may win a Test in India or even a series ( like in 2012 ) but against Pakistan they are guaranteed a loss. Not even a single Test victory.

Most of the Pakistan's victories in UAE, which Misbah takes credit for were  thanks to pair of chuckers ( Ajmal and Hafeez ) and later Yasir Shah . Chucker is long banned and Yasir is not the same and they have not produced a good spinner since. 

[HamHindustani]

Pakistan cannot play at LORDS. It will be blasphemy as per Pakistani afterlife theory

[kohli]

19 hours ago, Vijy said:

Ind's chances do not look great because our home record is starting to slip. First there was the huge loss against Pommies in Chennai and then the draw against NZ. Both were fuelled by some bizarre selections and some degree of luck going against us. Ozzies will fancy their chances against us, especially if we prepare raging turners - this is because some random Aussie bowler (like Agar) can get lots of wkts, while New God (Smith) can rescue their batting.

Last home series against eng was part of last test championship.

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, kohli said:

Last home series against eng was part of last test championship.

I am aware. I was talking in general about how some cracks are appearing in the home record.

[cricketfan28]

Pak will have advantage in England , we wil be effectively playing with 1 batsman less as sarma will likely fail against Afridi.

[neel roy]

Indi surely will qualify for finals. 

 

Away

 

Eng : 2-1 ( hopefully we will draw last test)

BD: 2-0 ( with pace and reverse swing easy even if they give us flat pitches. They wont dare to give spin tracks to support taijul n shakib as our tridev is better than any of theirs)

 

SAf : 1-1 / 2-1 ( we should at least draw the series)

 

Home

Nz: 1-0

Srilanka : 3-0 ( we can just beat them with pace umesh siraj enough)

Aus : 3-0 , 1 Draw. With jadeja axar ashwin batting 789 dont think we will lose.Also it will be summer and no bad light to save aussies. 

 

so overall 17 tests

at least 12 wins. Win perc 71. More than enough for finals. 

Edited December 5, 2021 by neel roy