Golden Age of Asian WKBs

[Serpico]

Anyone disagree that we're going through the golden age for asian keeper batsmen? 

 

Rishabh pant is already the most impactful test keeper we've had. He still needs to prove himself in LOIs but I think it's only a matter of time given his young age and immense talent

 

Rizwan is easily Pakistan's best ever wkb in any format. In fact he might be their best LOI batsman right now. His glovework is also elite and adds a lot of energy behind the stumps as well 

 

Liton Das is going through a purple patch in test batting in last 15 months. Averages about 60 since last year. Don't know how good he's behind the stumps though 

 

3 major test teams in asia have a wicket keeper in their top 3 batsmen. Surely this never happened before. Can we say this is the legacy of sanga and to a lesser extent, dhoni?

 

 

[rkt.india]

Liton isn't a regular wk

[Vijy]

8 minutes ago, rkt.india said:

Liton isn't a regular wk

OP was speaking about Liton in tests since last couple of yrs. since Jan 2020, Liton has played in 11 tests and kept in 10 of them (with an avg of nearly 50 in these 10 tests).

 

 

[Vijy]

14 minutes ago, Serpico said:

Anyone disagree that we're going through the golden age for asian keeper batsmen? 

 

Rishabh pant is already the most impactful test keeper we've had. He still needs to prove himself in LOIs but I think it's only a matter of time given his young age and immense talent

 

Rizwan is easily Pakistan's best ever wkb in any format. In fact he might be their best LOI batsman right now. His glovework is also elite and adds a lot of energy behind the stumps as well 

 

Liton Das is going through a purple patch in test batting in last 15 months. Averages about 60 since last year. Don't know how good he's behind the stumps though 

 

3 major test teams in asia have a wicket keeper in their top 3 batsmen. Surely this never happened before. Can we say this is the legacy of sanga and to a lesser extent, dhoni?

 

 

Sanga was not really seen as a keeper in tests; he gave up the gloves roughly mid-way or earlier in his career, and only flourished after giving them up. Of course, he did keep in many LOIs. I don't think it is specifically the influence of MSD or Sanga, but is rather the reflection of the broader trend that a keeper must avg >35 to be selected in the team.

 

We have seen such keepers in many countries: Q. de Kock, Watling, Prior, Bairstow (37 avg as designated keeper), chandimal, etc. I'd say that this trend was started by Andy Flower and Gilly in modern era (there were rare exceptions earlier like Les AMes).

[QuarantineTormentino]

Sanga was meh as a keeper bat, but take the gloves away and he was almost Bradman level. For all his fallacies, Dhoni is still the best keeper bat produced by Asia imo.

 

Pant, Rizwan and Das might dominate their SENA counterparts over the next decade

[Majestic]

Pant and Rizwan are also arguably the two best keeper batsman in the world, not just in Asia.

[tweaker]

Also the reserve wicketkeeper batsman ie Nisan,Bharat are also good

[Adamant]

Definitely the best era for Wicketkeeper batsman. 

 

Pant

Rizwan

Liton

Buttler

DeKock

Rahim (when he keeps wickets) 

Pooran etc. 

 

 

 

 

[mishra]

Previous era had two ATGs, Sanga and MSD. I doubt current era has More than one potential ATG in them. 

Edited January 17, 2022 by mishra
Added term “potential”

[Sean Bradley]

Dhoni & Sanga played in the same era, Dhoni is an ATG ODI WKB & Sanga is One of the ATG Test WKB, Pant is not better than Sanga (atleast yet), Neither is Rizwan better than Dhoni. So no, this not a Golden Age for Asian WKBs. 

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, Sean Bradley said:

Dhoni & Sanga played in the same era, Dhoni is an ATG ODI WKB & Sanga is One of the ATG Test WKB, Pant is not better than Sanga (atleast yet), Neither is Rizwan better than Dhoni. So no, this not a Golden Age for Asian WKBs. 

Sanga had a relatively ordinary batting record when he kept, and his keeping wasn't that good either. when he gave up gloves, avg shot up from 40+ to around 60.

 

although sanga kept in ODIs regularly, he should not be seen as "true" keeper in tests since P. Jayawardene did the job for a good fraction of time

[First class]

Otherwise the golden age of WK was 70s and 80s when many ATG WKs were active . Bari, Marsh, Murray, Knott ( and Taylor ), Kirmani

[Vijy]

On 1/17/2022 at 4:03 PM, First class said:

Otherwise the golden age of WK was 70s and 80s when many ATG WKs were active . Bari, Marsh, Murray, Knott ( and Taylor ), Kirmani

in terms of pure keeping, most of them were top-notch. however, only dujon and knott were capable batters on a consistent basis, followed by kirmani and marsh.

[Rantzz]

Don’t forget Rahmanullah Gubraz

 

a stud T20 player in the making from Afghanistan

[Majestic]

Also, don't forget Kamran Akmal too. It was a privilege watching him keep wickets for Pakistan.

[First class]

4 hours ago, Majestic said:

Also, don't forget Kamran Akmal too. It was a privilege watching him keep wickets for Pakistan.

He was a goal keeper not wicket keeper, he believed in stopping, not catching the ball. 

[Vijy]

3 hours ago, First class said:

He was a goal keeper not wicket keeper, he believed in stopping, not catching the ball. 

he conceded quite a lot of goals - he was no gianluigi buffon

[vvvslaxman]

Pant has a lot to prove in the LOIs.

[Vijy]

9 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Pant has a lot to prove in the LOIs.

He has done quite well, albeit not great. An avg of 30+ and SR of 110+. And all this while being shunted up and down order, being criticized continuously (sometimes unfairly), and playing intermittently. Guess what Gilly's avg + SR looked like at similar stage in his career:

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/5390.html?class=2;spanmax1=28+Jan+1998;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting;view=match

[vvvslaxman]

11 minutes ago, Vijy said:

He has done quite well, albeit not great. An avg of 30+ and SR of 110+. And all this while being shunted up and down order, being criticized continuously (sometimes unfairly), and playing intermittently. Guess what Gilly's avg + SR looked like at similar stage in his career:

https://stats.espncricinfo.com/ci/engine/player/5390.html?class=2;spanmax1=28+Jan+1998;spanval1=span;template=results;type=batting;view=match

 

Whenever we chase a total he goes missing.  His average while chasing is 16 at a strike rate of 86. Contrast to how Dhoni was early on.  Dhoni averaged 53 at a strike rate of 84 during his chases in the 2000s. You cannot have a batsman averaging 16 while chasing. This is an ear only 4 fielders are outside for the best part of the innings. 2 new balls. So no reverse swing. So it is more batsman friendly.

Edited January 19, 2022 by vvvslaxman