#HijabRow in Karnataka Schools - where do you stand?

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High schools, colleges closed for three days; Union min Pralhad Joshi says dress code must be followed

The Karnataka High Court on Tuesday appealed to the students and people to maintain peace and tranquility as the hijab row escalated in parts of the state. Asking people to have faith in the Indian Constitution, Justice Dixit observed that only some mischievous people were keeping the issue burning.

 

Karnataka Hijab Row News Live Updates: Govt orders closure of high schools, colleges for three days; Union min Pralhad Joshi says dress code must be followed (indiatimes.com)

 

[ash]

Crazy to see how much money effort and time is wasted by Mankind on religion. Being an atheist and seeing this is frustrating, like seeing two groups of baboons fighting for a non existent Banana. 

[Clarke]

PATHETIC!

 

 

[urbestfriend]

This was a simple thing that could've been solved between school management and students, whereas this has become a national issue. Its a sensitive issue, and school management could've called the parents meeting to solve this issue. In our times, we used to listen to teachers, but now demanding the right has become more important thanks to vitiated atmosphere. There is no end if everyone demands theie right to profess religion inside the school rooms..

[Clarke]

So where do they plan to draw the line ? If hijab is banned, is pagdi allowed ? If a women is married, is mangalsutra allowed ? What about sindoor ? 

 

This is a slippery slope best avoided unless there are identity verification problems due to burqa (say a woman does not show her face to verify identity), which I don't think is the case here. 

[Trichromatic]

2 minutes ago, urbestfriend said:

This was a simple thing that could've been solved between school management and students, whereas this has become a national issue. Its a sensitive issue, and school management could've called the parents meeting to solve this issue. In our times, we used to listen to teachers, but now demanding the right has become more important thanks to vitiated atmosphere. There is no end if everyone demands theie right to profess religion inside the school rooms..

 

School management called parents and tried to convince them that students shouldn't wear hijab.

 

Question:

 

If students were wearing hijab earlier, what did change last year? Why did college ban it in first place?

[urbestfriend]

Just now, Clarke said:

So where do they plan to draw the line ? If hijab is banned, is pagdi allowed ? If a women is married, is mangalsutra allowed ? What about sindoor ? 

 

This is a slippery slope best avoided unless there are identity verification problems due to burqa (say a woman does not show her face to verify identity), which I don't think is the case here. 

Mostly girls are seen in full blown burkah in all these pictures , as most people dont know the difference between Hijab and Burkah down south..Most muslim girls never used to wear these things 10-20 years back and now it has moved from Hijab to Burkah..So there should be some middle way..

But dont compare the ornaments like Sindoor and chains, eyeliner, mangalsutra etc with dresses as these fall in different category. 

[Trichromatic]

2 minutes ago, Clarke said:

So where do they plan to draw the line ? If hijab is banned, is pagdi allowed ? If a women is married, is mangalsutra allowed ? What about sindoor ? 

 

This is a slippery slope best avoided unless there are identity verification problems due to burqa (say a woman does not show her face to verify identity), which I don't think is the case here. 

 

Mangalsutra and sindoor are definitely allowed. 

 

Usually schools have some restrictions, but students are allowed to wear caps/mufflers/scarves during winter as long as it is of matching color in North Indian schools.

[Clarke]

1 minute ago, Trichromatic said:

 

School management called parents and tried to convince them that students shouldn't wear hijab.

 

Question:

 

If students were wearing hijab earlier, what did change last year? Why did college ban it in first place?

 

A cafe opened on campus and the baguettes & croissants made some people french in mindset.

[Trichromatic]

Just now, urbestfriend said:

Mostly girls are seen in full blown burkah in all these pictures , as most people dont know the difference between Hijab and Burkah down south..Most muslim girls never used to wear these things 10-20 years back and now it has moved from Hijab to Burkah..So there should be some middle way..

But dont compare the ornaments like Sindoor and chains, eyeliner, mangalsutra etc with dresses as these fall in different category. 

 

It's hijab with masks wore during covid phase.

[urbestfriend]

2 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

School management called parents and tried to convince them that students shouldn't wear hijab.

 

Question:

 

If students were wearing hijab earlier, what did change last year? Why did college ban it in first place?

Wrong, they used to wear Hijab to college but not inside the classroom all these years..Its when some students demanded their right to wear Hijab inside the classroom and teachers didn't allow them , the problem started..Apparently it was 5 out of 70 muslim girls who demanded this..

[Trichromatic]

Just now, urbestfriend said:

Wrong, they used to wear Hijab to college but not inside the classroom all these years..Its when some students demanded their right to wear Hijab inside the classroom and teachers didn't allow them , the problem started..Apparently it was 5 out of 70 muslim girls who demanded this..

 

Lawyers representing them have mentioned in court that they were allowed hijab earlier.

[urbestfriend]

1 minute ago, Trichromatic said:

 

It's hijab with masks wore during covid phase.

 Does it look like Hijab?

[Clarke]

1 minute ago, urbestfriend said:

Mostly girls are seen in full blown burkah in all these pictures , as most people dont know the difference between Hijab and Burkah down south..Most muslim girls never used to wear these things 10-20 years back and now it has moved from Hijab to Burkah..So there should be some middle way..

But dont compare the ornaments like Sindoor and chains, eyeliner, mangalsutra etc with dresses as these fall in different category. 

 

What's wrong with burqa ? Aren't we all used to it ? The women are wearing it by their choice, sure upbringing has a role to play. 

 

If there were criminals using it as an instrument to hide their identity, its a valid debate, and I'm partially on the side of a ban. That isn't the case here. 

 

What's your thought on pagdi ? Isn't that a religious symbol too ? Would you want to give it a pass coz it was worn 20 years back too ? Don't these practices change all the time ?

[Clarke]

6 minutes ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Mangalsutra and sindoor are definitely allowed. 

 

Usually schools have some restrictions, but students are allowed to wear caps/mufflers/scarves during winter as long as it is of matching color in North Indian schools.

 

I know that its all allowed, i'm just puzzled by this stupid controversy. Women should be free to cover themselves unless there are genuine issues like the ones I've mentioned (crime/identity verification).

[diga]

5 minutes ago, urbestfriend said:

Wrong, they used to wear Hijab to college but not inside the classroom all these years..Its when some students demanded their right to wear Hijab inside the classroom and teachers didn't allow them , the problem started..Apparently it was 5 out of 70 muslim girls who demanded this..

I dont have a problem with their attire as long as they dont cheat during exams or start eating in the class by covering their face... It seems like a well orchestrated campaign by DK Shi

[Trichromatic]

5 minutes ago, urbestfriend said:

 Does it look like Hijab?

 

Yes, most of them look like wearing hijab with mask contrary to your claim that mostly girls are seen in full blown burkah in all these pictures

[urbestfriend]

1 minute ago, Clarke said:

 

What's wrong with burqa ? Aren't we all used to it ? The women are wearing it by their choice, sure upbringing has a role to play. 

 

If there were criminals using it as an instrument to hide their identity, its a valid debate, and I'm partially on the side of a ban. That isn't the case here. 

 

What's your thought on pagdi ? Isn't that a religious symbol too ? Would you want to give it a pass coz it was worn 20 years back too ? Don't these practices change all the time ?

GOod question, but the sae rights are asked by Hindus and Christians allow them too? I want to wear vibhooti, and safrron shawl , white robes etc? May be it is reactionary, but then who are you to decide that ..

 

Fact is religious symbols to a certain extent may be allowed but when it becomes your identity , schools are not the place..Keep it outside the education institution..

[urbestfriend]

1 minute ago, Trichromatic said:

 

Yes, most of them look like wearing hijab with mask contrary to your claim that mostly girls are seen in full blown burkah in all these pictures

Can you see the uniform? Please explain what differentiates between Hijab and Burkah..

[Trichromatic]

1 minute ago, urbestfriend said:

Can you see the uniform? Please explain what differentiates between Hijab and Burkah..

 

 

Where do you see 4th type of dress in the image? And isn't face mask clear in those videos?