Gaikwad vs Left arm Pacer

[Ankit_sharma03]

Ruturaj Gaikwad against LAP:

106 runs, 104 balls, 9 dismissals, 11.4 avg, 105 SR

 

 

whenever someone says our top 3 struggles against left arm pacer so lets take Gaikwad, show them this and he is yet to play Shaheen n Starc 

Edited May 20, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03

[Ankit_sharma03]

Gaikwad vs boult now 

 

22 runs in 24 balls, dismissed 3 times in 4 games

[vvvslaxman]

Every batsman we have one weakness or the other. Either spinner or swing or bounce or pace.  PRithvi shaw consumed by chahar 6 out of 8 times.  Also has issues against right hander bringing the ball back and also against hard length at the body.

[Ankit_sharma03]

7 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

Every batsman we have one weakness or the other. Either spinner or swing or bounce or pace.  PRithvi shaw consumed by chahar 6 out of 8 times.  Also has issues against right hander bringing the ball back and also against hard length at the body.

yes but my point dnt use it to point at other by replacing someone who has that weakness even at higher rate 

We abuse those 3 as if this next generation wont suffer against moving ball , they already are at IPL level 

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yes but my point dnt use it to point at other by replacing someone who has that weakness even at higher rate 

We abuse those 3 as if this next generation wont suffer against moving ball , they already are at IPL level 

 

You back him not for that reason. You back him due to his potential against pace bowling. Very good against short stuff up the order. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

You back him not for that reason. You back him due to his potential against pace bowling. Very good against short stuff up the order. 

cant be for one reason if so then u compete with other one like Gill and then its capability - gill clearly has more

In t20 , gaikwad doesnt give enough reasons to back him

if problem is same - shaw has an upper hand in s/r in Gill in overall ability . 

 

Thats why he falls behind . But again my point isnt Gaikwad vs Shaw or gill or etc

 

But to the logic that top3 gets out against left armer so lets get Gaikwad (i hve told many times in past his numbers against LAP is very bad so hows is he a solution)

Another logic was drop them due to s/r well Gaikwad on s.r is nothing great and he himself is as slow a starter as they are. So the replacement is in itself possesing same problems 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

You back him not for that reason. You back him due to his potential against pace bowling. Very good against short stuff up the order. 

cant be for one reason if so then u compete with other one like Gill and then its capability - gill clearly has more

In t20 , gaikwad doesnt give enough reasons to back him

if problem is same - shaw has an upper hand in s/r in Gill in overall ability . 

 

Thats why he falls behind . But again my point isnt Gaikwad vs Shaw or gill or etc

 

But to the logic that top3 gets out against left armer so lets get Gaikwad (i hve told many times in past his numbers against LAP is very bad so hows is he a solution)

Another logic was drop them due to s/r well Gaikwad on s.r is nothing great and he himself is as slow a starter as they are. So the replacement is in itself possesing same problems 

[Lone Wolf]

No batsman is as hopeless against left arm pace as KL Rahul among Indian players. 

Every Indian batsman including Rohit & Kohli were looking comfortable against Sam Curran last tour...  Rahul was barely putting bat to ball...  And Curran was in terrible form.  He has no idea how to defend properly against left arm pace.  Getting caught behind is normal & getting bowled/LBW regularly is just rank poor. 

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

cant be for one reason if so then u compete with other one like Gill and then its capability - gill clearly has more

In t20 , gaikwad doesnt give enough reasons to back him

if problem is same - shaw has an upper hand in s/r in Gill in overall ability . 

 

Thats why he falls behind . But again my point isnt Gaikwad vs Shaw or gill or etc

 

But to the logic that top3 gets out against left armer so lets get Gaikwad (i hve told many times in past his numbers against LAP is very bad so hows is he a solution)

Another logic was drop them due to s/r well Gaikwad on s.r is nothing great and he himself is as slow a starter as they are. So the replacement is in itself possesing same problems 

 

Not in T20. In one dayer. That i maintain. He is more a proper batsman. Doesn't look out of depth. Gill has become a strokeless wonder these days.  Too many dot balls. Also among all the guys RUturaj has the best acceleration mode. He gets more and more aggressive as the game goes on.

[Vickydev]

He is very average, one dimensional to the fullest. Any sort of movement he is a sitting duck, extra bounce around the channel he will struggle. Dont rate him at all even after his stellar seasons on those low and slow UAE tracks

[Lone Wolf]

6 hours ago, Vickydev said:

He is very average, one dimensional to the fullest. Any sort of movement he is a sitting duck, extra bounce around the channel he will struggle. Dont rate him at all even after his stellar seasons on those low and slow UAE tracks

On those same tracks our guys had become strokeless wonders in WT20.

[Vickydev]

37 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

On those same tracks our guys had become strokeless wonders in WT20.

I imagine Gaekwad would have smashed the living daylights out of SSA and Boult there..lol.

 

In IPL, Pandya and Kishan were tonking Cummins, Rabada and Nortje to the stratosphere in UAE. Venky Iyer was the second coming of Matthew Hayden. Its a different sport altogether international cricket. Lets not go there

 

[zen]

2 hours ago, Vickydev said:

Its a different sport altogether international cricket. Lets not go there

International cricket has various level … Some of these guys did well against SL & WI recently but struggled in the higher quality (and high pressure) IPL … can’t generalize on the quality of “international” cricket … IPL teams can have stronger batting and/or bowling line ups than many international teams esp. fielded in bilaterals 

 

PS world cups, which do not happen as regularly, can be of higher quality as teams tend to field full strength teams  but there too you may play a Scotland  somewhere (and some top teams can struggle in certain conditions including in toss dependent games and/or form of key players)

Edited May 21, 2022 by zen

[Ankit_sharma03]

11 hours ago, Vickydev said:

He is very average, one dimensional to the fullest. Any sort of movement he is a sitting duck, extra bounce around the channel he will struggle. Dont rate him at all even after his stellar seasons on those low and slow UAE tracks

He has good qualities

 

• Plays genuine pace so well, look at how he has played Lockie n Umran. 
• Accelrates damn well
• have noticed that spin hasnt bothered him much
• When scores he scores it consistently 

 

Against moving ball sab duck hai- Rohit, KL, Kohli, Shaw, gill, kishen...............sab ke sab 

[Vickydev]

24 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He has good qualities

 

• Plays genuine pace so well, look at how he has played Lockie n Umran. 
• Accelrates damn well
• have noticed that spin hasnt bothered him much
• When scores he scores it consistently 

 

Against moving ball sab duck hai- Rohit, KL, Kohli, Shaw, gill, kishen...............sab ke sab 

Agree about his strengths, there are certainly some good areas.

 

His issues arise because of one dimensional nature of his batting, he commits very early to a line and length, just what aids him in playing high pace, like playing on a synthetic wicket would. If there is any sort of deviation, extra bounce or movement from that he ends up looking out of place.

 

Ofcourse movement can trouble the best of them but its the having the ability to react late, that fraction of a second to adjust to different deliveries. Getting out to good deliveries is one thing but looking out of sorts everytime the ball jags even a tiny bit is different. Rohit, KL, Virat, Gill I wont classify in the latter. 

[Vickydev]

3 hours ago, zen said:

International cricket has various level … Some of these guys did well against SL & WI recently but struggled in the higher quality (and high pressure) IPL … can’t generalize on the quality of “international” cricket … IPL teams can have stronger batting and/or bowling line ups than many international teams esp. fielded in bilaterals 

 

PS world cups, which do not happen as regularly, can be of higher quality as teams tend to field full strength teams  but there too you may play a Scotland  somewhere (and some top teams can struggle in certain conditions including in toss dependent games and/or form of key players)

Almost all teams will experiment with bilaterals in T20s not just with players but with approaches and options also, so they dont really matter at the end of the day unless its full strength hammer and tongs cricket like Ind-Eng earlier last year.

 

IPL at the end of the day is a domestic tournament. The intensity of international cricket (for T20s it would be WT20s) is a lot higher, the best raise their games significantly mainly because

 a) the championships are not drawn out spread over 14 games or so, where one can pick and choose their moments. 

b) On average there are better players you are up against over the entire XI. Even within the team you are one of many stars, Bumrah playing alongside Unadkat/Thampi would not be the same with him bowling alongside a Shami. Not withstanding the associates here.

 

So comparing IPL performances with international world event performances is a futile task really. 

 

 

[zen]

1 hour ago, Vickydev said:

Almost all teams will experiment with bilaterals in T20s not just with players but with approaches and options also, so they dont really matter at the end of the day unless its full strength hammer and tongs cricket like Ind-Eng earlier last year.

 

IPL at the end of the day is a domestic tournament. The intensity of international cricket (for T20s it would be WT20s) is a lot higher, the best raise their games significantly mainly because

 a) the championships are not drawn out spread over 14 games or so, where one can pick and choose their moments. 

b) On average there are better players you are up against over the entire XI. Even within the team you are one of many stars, Bumrah playing alongside Unadkat/Thampi would not be the same with him bowling alongside a Shami. Not withstanding the associates here.

 

So comparing IPL performances with international world event performances is a futile task really. 

 

 

As I remarked that WCs are considered better as full strength top teams are in equation but there too you may play a Scotland. 

 

Both T20 WCs and IPL have their own set of challenges which players/teams have to overcome. In IPL, one has to be consistent over a long period to be in the last 4. 

If Bumrah bowls with Thampi, he could also bowl with Archer. Shami may have better partners in Rashid, Lockie, & Joseph. You could have Cummins bowling with Southee, Umesh, & Naraine. Ashwin-Yuzi could bowl with a Boult, and so on. 
 

There is also no guarantee that quality of cricket would be higher at world cups (case point is Ind’s performances in the last WC. WI, SL & BD were off the mark. Even NZ peaked later. Teams can be impacted by conditions which in IPL is not an issue, form, and even tosses) 

 

IPL is a marquee event in its own right w/ world cups being slightly ahead for the prestige of world titles (but that too may not remain the same if world cups are played too frequently) 

 

We cannot generalize that “international cricket is a different sport altogether” based primarily on one event (WC that does not even happen frequently). IPL produces excellent cricket year after year every year!

Edited May 21, 2022 by zen

[Pollack]

1 hour ago, Vickydev said:

Almost all teams will experiment with bilaterals in T20s not just with players but with approaches and options also, so they dont really matter at the end of the day unless its full strength hammer and tongs cricket like Ind-Eng earlier last year.

 

IPL at the end of the day is a domestic tournament. The intensity of international cricket (for T20s it would be WT20s) is a lot higher, the best raise their games significantly mainly because

 a) the championships are not drawn out spread over 14 games or so, where one can pick and choose their moments. 

b) On average there are better players you are up against over the entire XI. Even within the team you are one of many stars, Bumrah playing alongside Unadkat/Thampi would not be the same with him bowling alongside a Shami. Not withstanding the associates here.

 

So comparing IPL performances with international world event performances is a futile task really. 

 

 

Excellent post IPL is no match to world t20 or similar multination tournaments. Another point I would like to add is pressure is also not the same in IPL for obvious reasons that is you have multiple chances to redeem yourself. IPL is held every year with tons of matches. Compare this to world cup tournament where if you end up messing there is even a possibility that your international career is almost over.

In IPL you will find weakest of the bowlers of the team bowling in crunch situations while in World tournaments that is a rare possibility.

Obviously IPL is better than domestic t20 tournaments. But it's way inferior to international cricket.

Edited May 21, 2022 by Pollack

[Majestic]

Left hander issue is there with all our batsman unfortunately but Gaekwad has another problem that he is a slow starter and on good days, he is striking in mid 130s which tells us that if he is not on form, then he will be a liability.

 

I would not consider him strictly for Indian t20 team. Restrict the top order spot to Rohit, Rahul, Kohli, Shaw and Kishan at the top and if this is not enough, count in Pant as well. That's enough people to look at. No point in increasing your bench strength, try figuring out your best XI. 

[vvvslaxman]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

He has good qualities

 

• Plays genuine pace so well, look at how he has played Lockie n Umran. 
• Accelrates damn well
• have noticed that spin hasnt bothered him much
• When scores he scores it consistently 

 

Against moving ball sab duck hai- Rohit, KL, Kohli, Shaw, gill, kishen...............sab ke sab 

 

We have to give these new guys enough chances before dismissing them. Losing bilateral T20 means nothing. It is a way to find out some good backup batsmen.