India T20 WC preperation is total mess

[deepdynamo]

Just consider these selections of specialist spinners after the debacle in WC 2021

 

Ind vs NZ: Ashwin, Axar
Ind vs WI: Bishnoi, Chahal
Ind vs SL: Yuzi, Jadeja, Kuldeep
& now
Ind vs SA: Axar, Yuzi

What kind of musical chairs is going on??????

And the situation is same regarding opening batters, middle order batters, allrounders and fast bowlers as well.
 

Why can't we have  stable T20 team with continuity of selections and clarity of roles..
Hate to say that put the parosis are doing much better with limited resources...they seems to know their best combinations 6 months before the WC and will give game time to all first X1 players in all upcoming matches.

 

 

[Majestic]

Indian TM themselves consider T20Is a joke and it seems they aren't bothered much by T20 world cup too, all they care is IPL and they do care test cricket also hence we don't see any player being prioritised for a T20 match when a test match is also going alongwith that.

 

Now obviously, as fans, we should also stop bothering about T20s and only hype our team as tests greats and care about IPL. Anyways, tests remains a pinnacle.

[Lone Wolf]

Chahal should be kicked out & we should groom a young player in these bilaterals.  A leggie who can't bowl googlies is useless.  Watching Shadab Khan bowl against guys like Powell Pooran was great.  Chahal should stick to IPl.  His record in last 20 T20Is is horrible. 

Bishnoi Sai Kishore should be given consistent chances.  Kishore was unhittable for GT. 

 

[Vijy]

27 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Indian TM themselves consider T20Is a joke and it seems they aren't bothered much by T20 world cup too, all they care is IPL and they do care test cricket also hence we don't see any player being prioritised for a T20 match when a test match is also going alongwith that.

 

Now obviously, as fans, we should also stop bothering about T20s and only hype our team as tests greats and care about IPL. Anyways, tests remains a pinnacle.

Ind does not prioritize tests either. the SA team we played against was not that great compared to what we faced in 2018 (best example is ABD) and yet we lost from a 1-0 lead. Our MO has been missing for 2 years and yet there was no emphasis on bringing in new people. likes of shreyas iyer were taken on tour despite being a bunny against short ball. less said about spin the better, since the much vaunted asswin did little of note. our test team is partly a joke too, and we are competitive only because of a very strong pace attack

[Vijy]

2 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Chahal should be kicked out & we should groom a young player in these bilaterals.  A leggie who can't bowl googlies is useless.  Watching Shadab Khan bowl against guys like Powell Pooran was great.  Chahal should stick to IPl.  His record in last 20 T20Is is horrible. 

Bishnoi Sai Kishore should be given consistent chances.  Kishore was unhittable for GT. 

 

Bishnoi can't bowl leg breaks. he is only a googly bowler and is 1D. Best wristspinner at the moment is Kuldeep

[cricketfan28]

Forget this year, I hope we win against pak.

[zen]

Ind is a couple of years behind where it should be 

 

[Vijy]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

Ind is a couple of years behind where it should be 

 

more like half a decade behind, or even a whole decade. a whole lineup dedicated to statspadding and scoring at 125-135 SR, spinners who only bowl defensively, and trundlers whose primary emphasis is on line-and-length and containment.

[zen]

1 minute ago, Vijy said:

more like half a decade behind, or even a whole decade. a whole lineup dedicated to statspadding and scoring at 125-135 SR, spinners who only bowl defensively, and trundlers whose primary emphasis is on line-and-length and containment.

 

Much like Tests, T20 is a specialized format (Only ODIs is like a "not here, not there" format). It needs format specific players and coaches (mostly with an attacking & positive mindset) 

 

 

 

[Vijy]

3 minutes ago, zen said:

 

Much like Tests, T20 is a specialized format (Only ODIs is like a "not here, not there" format). It needs format specific players and coaches (mostly with an attacking & positive mindset) 

 

 

 

yes, one should ideally have completely diff setups. treat them as two separate sports. I would say that 50 over cricket these days is close to T20 (in the past it was closer to tests), so the T20 coach and setup can oversee 50 over cricket.

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, Lone Wolf said:

Chahal should be kicked out & we should groom a young player in these bilaterals.  A leggie who can't bowl googlies is useless.  Watching Shadab Khan bowl against guys like Powell Pooran was great.  Chahal should stick to IPl.  His record in last 20 T20Is is horrible. 

Bishnoi Sai Kishore should be given consistent chances.  Kishore was unhittable for GT. 

 

They should give me a go as well. I will bowl accurate off spin.

Edited June 11, 2022 by Majestic

[Majestic]

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

Ind does not prioritize tests either. the SA team we played against was not that great compared to what we faced in 2018 (best example is ABD) and yet we lost from a 1-0 lead. Our MO has been missing for 2 years and yet there was no emphasis on bringing in new people. likes of shreyas iyer were taken on tour despite being a bunny against short ball. less said about spin the better, since the much vaunted asswin did little of note. our test team is partly a joke too, and we are competitive only because of a very strong pace attack

In tests, we are still the best team in the world and I have no doubt about it. Winning away isn't easy but we did beat Australia twice and are leading 2-1 in England. At home, SL and Windies, we barely lose. In SA, we lost but that was more down to us not being pentrative enough with bowl and SA batters were very resilient. You could play whoever you want at 5 in that series and he won't have done anything special. 

 

We don't necessarily mess up or de-prioritise our selections for away tests like we do for bilateral T20s.

Edited June 11, 2022 by Majestic

[Vijy]

Just now, Majestic said:

In tests, we are still the best team in the world and I have no doubt about it. Winning away isn't easy but we did beat Australia twice and are leading 2-1 in England. At home, SL and Windies, we barely lose. In SA, we lost but that was more down to us not being pentrative enough and SA batters were very resilient.

 

We don't necessarily mess up or deprioritise our selections for away tests like we do for bilateral T20s.

it was mostly because of missing MO and spin.

[rollingstoned]

I'm worried about our spin stocks going into the tournament. It doesn't look like we know whom we want to stick with and back so are just trying to throw enough fertilizer at the wall to see what sticks. These conditions with small grounds, flat pitches and dew are not good for spin bowling especially compared to what we can expect in Australia but most visiting spinners are outbowling ours ina regular basis. 

[Majestic]

Just now, Vijy said:

it was mostly because of missing MO and spin.

Haan so we didn't had anyone good enough sitting on bench either. We lost that match because we let SA chase down the total in 4th inning.

[Vijy]

4 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Haan so we didn't had anyone good enough sitting on bench either. We lost that match because we let SA chase down the total in 4th inning.

yes, our squad of 15 was badly chosen that's my point

[Majestic]

23 minutes ago, Vijy said:

yes, our squad of 15 was badly chosen that's my point

Nope, I think those outside the 15 are pretty mediocre too. Sarfaraz and Shaw especially have poor fitness also to survive five day test cricket in alien conditions and are untested vs international calibre pace bowler. 

Edited June 11, 2022 by Majestic

[Vijy]

Just now, Majestic said:

Nope, I think those outside the 15 are pretty mediocre too. Sarfaraz and Shaw especially have poor fitness also to survive five day test cricket in alien conditions vs international calibre pace bowler 

how do you know without even trying sarfaraz who made a gutsy 71* against SA A...

 

moreover, you are only proving my point that this whole team is riddled with mediocrities.

[Lone Wolf]

2 hours ago, Vijy said:

Bishnoi can't bowl leg breaks. he is only a googly bowler and is 1D. Best wristspinner at the moment is Kuldeep

My theory is his googlies spin away from lefties...  Big hitters like Pooran struggled against him.  Chahal would have bowled leggies to Miller who would smash him leg side over midwicket.  I agree Kuldeep is a superior option but he is injured so what's the point of Chahal? 

[Majestic]

28 minutes ago, Vijy said:

how do you know without even trying sarfaraz who made a gutsy 71* against SA A...

 

moreover, you are only proving my point that this whole team is riddled with mediocrities.

Runs vs SA A team is not same as runs vs SA team. Shreyas Iyer also scored a 200 vs Aus A team some years ago but we saw last year in ODIs how Hazelwood owned him. Sarfaraz neither have the fitness nor he was mentally up there for the South Africa tour.

 

Indian middle order was weak, it is true but those are alien conditions. In favourable conditions, all our batters are excellent and that is why we are the best tesr team of this generation.