What happened to the part timer?

[sage]

India used to have a rich tradition of part time bowlers. None of even our biggest batsmen would be unable to bowl and often produced the goods. From Sachin to Ganguly to Sehwag and Raina. Why does this generation of batsmen not seem to be able to contribute part time?

[sage]

All we have produced in recent history is this

[sage]

Some match-winning contributions from prior era

[Majestic]

Deepak Hooda and Venky Iyer are part timers only. In tests, Vihari is also part time.

 

Hardik Pandya on 8 out of 10 days is a part timer only.

 

Jadeja is bits and pieces.

 

Actually, the use of part timers these days is moslty in ODIs. In T20s, you simply can't go with part time spinners. In Tests, we don't really need part timers any more as we have Jadeja, Ashwin and Shardul who are good all rounders in their own right. In ODIs, let's see how part timer Pandya bowls.

[vvvslaxman]

Krish srikkanth has two fifers in one dayers.

[Ankit_sharma03]

With news rules it very hard for part timers now, earlier rules were different . 

 

• If you wanna be a part timer today u need variety like Livingstone, Root even jadhav .................when riyan parag tries in IPL ppl laugh
• Or else u shud be able to dart with good control like Maxwell does 

dhoni stopped bowling yuvi after 2011 Wc in ODI but still bowled in t20 coz in t20 yuvi had the cushion of 5 fielders outside 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

22 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Deepak Hooda and Venky Iyer are part timers only. In tests, Vihari is also part time.

 

Hardik Pandya on 8 out of 10 days is a part timer only.

 

Jadeja is bits and pieces.

 

Actually, the use of part timers these days is moslty in ODIs. In T20s, you simply can't go with part time spinners. In Tests, we don't really need part timers any more as we have Jadeja, Ashwin and Shardul who are good all rounders in their own right. In ODIs, let's see how part timer Pandya bowls.

 

 

Maxwell, Markram, Livingstone type of bowlers still have a place. It is all about match up.  During that famous tie one dayer ball was helping seamers. Azharuddin had no choice to use all his seamers defending a total of 126 against West Indies. All 4 seamers bowled out 40 overs out of 50 overs. as the pitch was assisting seamers throughout the match. No room for spinners there. Ravi shastri did not bowl a single over. Luckily India had Tendulkar who used to bowl seam up deliveries rather than leg spin back in the days. A gentle outswinger found the edge.  Right type of part timer against right type of batsman have as good a chance as main bowler. There is still a case for smart part timers. Main bowlers can have off days. You need someone to chip in an over.

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/benson-hedges-world-series-1991-92-60921/india-vs-west-indies-1st-match-65479/full-scorecard

 

 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Tendulkar wud have done well today coz of his variety but i have my doubts on others specfially viru n yuvi (whom dhonio stopped bowling in ODI) 

[Ankit_sharma03]

U cant compare now vs then , when rules have changed so much 

[Ankit_sharma03]

Also u need a captain who has an instinct for part timers- Kohli n Rahul dravid never had it. Ganguly and dhoni had it 

 

[Majestic]

2 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Tendulkar wud have done well today coz of his variety but i have my doubts on others specfially viru n yuvi (whom dhonio stopped bowling in ODI) 

Yuvi has had decent success with bowl in IPL.

 

36 wickets at Bowling average of 29.9. That's pretty good for a part timer(sixth bowler). Also the economy of 7.44 is good for part timer.

Edited June 22, 2022 by Majestic

[sandeep]

Huge difference with 4 outfielders.  The rule was designed to reduce effectiveness of part timers. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

2 hours ago, Majestic said:

Yuvi has had decent success with bowl in IPL.

 

36 wickets at Bowling average of 29.9. That's pretty good for a part timer(sixth bowler). Also the economy of 7.44 is good for part timer.

 

i already mentioned diff in t20 and ODI 

4 fielder outside vs 5 fielder outside circle , in t20 u can 5 fielders outside circle and in ODI 4 and in just last few yrs its 5 in last 10 overs which neways most wont bowl part timers in that phase 

 

4 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

dhoni stopped bowling yuvi after 2011 Wc in ODI but still bowled in t20 coz in t20 yuvi had the cushion of 5 fielders outside 

https://www.sportskeeda.com/cricket/ms-dhoni-yuvraj-singh-bowling-affected-rule-change

 

Tough for Yuvraj to bowl with new rules, says Dhoni

Dhoni believes that the new fielding restrictions introduced by the ICC in late 2012 which mandate only four fielders outside the 30-yard circle have affected the potency of Yuvraj Singh as a genuine match-winner with the ball.

Speaking on the issue, the Ranchi-born cricketer said: "If you see, after the rules change happened, Yuvi didn't bowl a lot. We must admit that once the rule change happened, it did affect his bowling although he is a regular with the ball in T20s.”

Reflecting on the older rules which enabled part-timers to come and roll their arm over and squeeze in a few overs with a steady line, Dhoni further added, "In the pre-field restriction days, Viru, Sachin and Yuvi used to bowl a lot and we depended on them, but they were all part-timers and on good batting tracks, they would find it difficult to bowl well.”

 

Edited June 22, 2022 by Ankit_sharma03

[Sean Bradley]

Who sd we do not have Part Timers ? Harshal Patel, Avesh Khan, Hardik Pandya, and dare I Say, Choosy Chahal , all looked like Part time bowlers in the recently concluded T20 series.

[sandeep]

2 hours ago, Sean Bradley said:

Who sd we do not have Part Timers ? Harshal Patel, Avesh Khan, Hardik Pandya, and dare I Say, Choosy Chahal , all looked like Part time bowlers in the recently concluded T20 series.

 

exhbit a of ICF style cricket 'acumen'.

[vvvslaxman]

8 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

U cant compare now vs then , when rules have changed so much 

 

Pooran just took 4 wickets lol. Rules can change. People getting over-confident and getting out to part timers won't change. Besides LOI game is all about wits. Smart part timer. is more useful than brainless specialist bowler. Lot of teams have a 6th bowler who bowled a over somewhere. 

 

[Vijy]

15 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

Tendulkar wud have done well today coz of his variety but i have my doubts on others specfially viru n yuvi (whom dhonio stopped bowling in ODI) 

could have done even better if he used his full repertoire today - leggies, offies/googlies, and seam up

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Pooran just took 4 wickets lol. Rules can change. People getting over-confident and getting out to part timers won't change. Besides LOI game is all about wits. Smart part timer. is more useful than brainless specialist bowler. Lot of teams have a 6th bowler who bowled a over somewhere. 

 

one day of fluke cant counter the years n years of reality , in Pak-WI that 3rd odi was on a tired pitch that was used for previous 2 50 over game . 

To be smart u also need control and tools- livingstone, root, jadhav, maxi had it all . We also have 6 bowling options but nowdays ur 6th bowling option has to be strong now, pooran wont bowl most days still and result wont be same . Batsman wont do this mistake every day. If pooran keeps doing this at consistent basis well clearly he had some ability that they didnt knew about 

 

Their is nothing called brainless specialist bowler , either a bowler has control or he lacks and mostly its inexperience 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

6 hours ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

one day of fluke cant counter the years n years of reality , in Pak-WI that 3rd odi was on a tired pitch that was used for previous 2 50 over game . 

To be smart u also need control and tools- livingstone, root, jadhav, maxi had it all . We also have 6 bowling options but nowdays ur 6th bowling option has to be strong now, pooran wont bowl most days still and result wont be same . Batsman wont do this mistake every day. If pooran keeps doing this at consistent basis well clearly he had some ability that they didnt knew about 

 

Their is nothing called brainless specialist bowler , either a bowler has control or he lacks and mostly its inexperience 

 

 

 

Yes There is lol We have seen tons of t hem from India.

 

[vvvslaxman]

7 hours ago, Vijy said:

could have done even better if he used his full repertoire today - leggies, offies/googlies, and seam up

 

Yes livingstone is getting away with off spin and leg spin despite being not that skillful.