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It seems like we have one track bowlers and when things aren't working, they are not able to come up with a plan B. Also, if Bumrah and Shami are having a bad day, Siraj and Thakur aren't able to do much. Siraj is picked as a pure bowler (no 11 batsman), so better performances are expected of him. But he has been disappointing in his ability to keep the pressure on by not leaking runs. 

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This Indian pace attack, despite having bowlers who can bowl at good speeds all day, is lacking the mental aggression and hostility in 2022.

 

From 2016 to 2021, the same pacers were a lot more aggressive snd hostile.

 

Bumrah was the enforcer pacer from 2018 to 2020 and even in 2021, he did play this role from time to time. But in 2022, he just wants to be a swing bowler unless an opposition batsman gets under his skin. We hardly see any hostile short balls from time to time.

 

Shami bowled one or two quick bouncers almost every over from 2013 to 2020. But he too has mellowed down after that. 

 

Now, they just want to be one trick ponies ... move the ball at pace and basically attack the stumps ... if the ball is not moving then bad luck, they are prepared to lose the test match  ... they won't try anything else with any kind of intensity.

 

We badly need a tall, hit the deck bounce bowler in our ranks to shake things up. We need a new enforcer pacer who can attack the opposition batters when the ball is not moving 

 

 

 

 

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Our TM and coaching staff learnt nothing from the SA debacle. (We lost to a mediocre SA team which had many debutants). We are yet to recover from that loss.    The exact same pattern continues till date.  Suddenly our bowlers look clueless in the 4th inning.   But these same bowlers pick bucket loads of wickets in the 1st inning everytime.  LOL.    Always flatters to deceive 

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Unnecessary hype, unnecessary expectations ... Ind only has two good bowlers in Bumrah & Shami, but they can be inconsistent. Others pacers are relatively inexperienced  ... Would like to see Moshin & Umran get some games

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2 hours ago, express bowling said:

Bumrah was the enforcer pacer from 2018 to 2020 and even in 2021, he did play this role from time to time. But in 2022, he just wants to be a swing bowler unless an opposition batsman gets under his skin. We hardly see any hostile short balls from time to time.

 

Shami bowled one or two quick bouncers almost every over from 2013 to 2020. But he too has mellowed down after that. 

 

Bowler attitude or some weird Paras-ology? 

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34 minutes ago, mani sha said:

You guys are missing the key issue . 
 

indian top order is the worst I have seen last 30 years . Kohli , gill and vihari contributed nothing .  You don’t expect bowlers to win all the time . Our batting has been the reason we are doing bad . 
 

 

I agree. 

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14 hours ago, express bowling said:

This Indian pace attack, despite having bowlers who can bowl at good speeds all day, is lacking the mental aggression and hostility in 2022.

 

From 2016 to 2020, the same pacers were a lot more aggressive snd hostile.

 

Bumrah was the enforcer pacer from 2018 to 2020 and even in 2021, he did play this role from time to time. But in 2022, he just wants to be a swing bowler unless an opposition batsman gets under his skin. We hardly see any hostile short balls from time to time.

 

Shami bowled one or two quick bouncers almost every over from 2013 to 2020. But he too has mellowed down after that. 

 

Now, they just want to be one trick ponies ... move the ball at pace and basically attack the stumps ... if the ball is not moving then bad luck, they ard prepared to lose the test match  ... they won't try anything else with any kind of intensity.

 

We badly need a tall, hit the deck bounce bowler in our ranks to shake things up. We need a new enforcer pacer who can attack the opposition batters when the ball is not moving 

 

 

 

 

We need a massive overhaul. First fix batting. If pitches get flatter for batting, there is nothing bowlers can do. Even Cummins got flogged. Now bumrah is also getting canned on flat pitches.s 

 

I agree bowling support has been weak now. 3rd and 4th pacers have been awful. Siraj and thakur have been poor since England 4th test. That's 3 poor tests in a row. 

 

Shocking stuff. 

 

Also our main pacers bumrah and shami have struggled I second innings due to limited rest as batsmen aren't able to bat for time. They need to resort to more hostile stuff.

 

If they can't do it then I have to say this. Get rid of all premium bowlers after 5 years. Seems like we need massive changes every 5 years. That's their max life span as a bounce based fast bowler. After injuries they resort to kiss the surface type bowling.where is bumrahs vicious bouncers to top order. He barely bowls them.

Drop the prick. He is too rich and powerful now. Once they get famous they feel entitled to all the lavish things in life and they are no longer required to work hard. 

 

Drop them all. Shami is a fighter. He did well. I am extremely disappointed in bumrah though.

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When there is nothing happening for bowlers or when conditions are flat, Indian bowlers dont seem to be able to bowl in the right areas, dry up the runs, build pressure and force mistakes. Especially Siraj, Thakur lack the control and discipline, they bowl too much on the pads and give away easy runs. 

 

At least, if they resort to a short pitch length, you may get the batsmen pulling or hooking a few times and may get them out. But they dont even seem to be willing to bend their back, (perhaps out of fear of getting injured).

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28 minutes ago, Jay said:

We need a massive overhaul. First fix batting. If pitches get flatter for batting, there is nothing bowlers can do. Even Cummins got flogged. Now bumrah is also getting canned on flat pitches.s 

 

I agree bowling support has been weak now. 3rd and 4th pacers have been awful. Siraj and thakur have been poor since England 4th test. That's 3 poor tests in a row. 

 

Shocking stuff. 

 

Also our main pacers bumrah and shami have struggled I second innings due to limited rest as batsmen aren't able to bat for time. They need to resort to more hostile stuff.

 

If they can't do it then I have to say this. Get rid of all premium bowlers after 5 years. Seems like we need massive changes every 5 years. That's their max life span as a bounce based fast bowler. After injuries they resort to kiss the surface type bowling.where is bumrahs vicious bouncers to top order. He barely bowls them.

Drop the prick. He is too rich and powerful now. Once they get famous they feel entitled to all the lavish things in life and they are no longer required to work hard. 

 

Drop them all. Shami is a fighter. He did well. I am extremely disappointed in bumrah though.

Bumrah Shami siraj bowled fine . Flat pitch and Kohli , vihari , Ayer and gill contributed nothing in both innings . 
 

even in 2000 we had weak bowling . But our batters were reliable . A laxman at no 6 would bat even on dustbowls . Dravid , tendulkar and ganguly would not give their wickets away . 
 

get rid of Kohli the disease first . Lots of young batters in wings . SRK , sky etc are all good . Give them a break when young and wanting to prove . See how Kohli needlessly needles baristow . Serves us right to loose . 

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18 minutes ago, mani sha said:

SRK , sky etc are all good . Give them a break when young and wanting to prove . See how Kohli needlessly needles baristow . Serves us right to loose . 

SKY is not young.  He is almost 31 and his batting style suits only T20 format at best.  He is too much of a hit and miss type of batsman.  Not a good fielder either.   We must accept the fact that our batting cupboard is bare and move on.   Youngsters like Gill and Iyer are so poor that their batting makes Pujara look like Bradman.  Upcoming youngsters are even worse.  

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1 hour ago, kubrickian said:

When there is nothing happening for bowlers or when conditions are flat, Indian bowlers dont seem to be able to bowl in the right areas, dry up the runs, build pressure and force mistakes. Especially Siraj, Thakur lack the control and discipline, they bowl too much on the pads and give away easy runs. 

 

At least, if they resort to a short pitch length, you may get the batsmen pulling or hooking a few times and may get them out. But they dont even seem to be willing to bend their back, (perhaps out of fear of getting injured).

Yes.thatsvwhy taller bowlers are more useful on flat pitches. You won't get injured due to natural height bounce. 

 

Shorter you ate the more you need to bend or bowl in back of length areas. 

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1 hour ago, kubrickian said:

When there is nothing happening for bowlers or when conditions are flat, Indian bowlers dont seem to be able to bowl in the right areas, dry up the runs, build pressure and force mistakes. Especially Siraj, Thakur lack the control and discipline, they bowl too much on the pads and give away easy runs. 

 

At least, if they resort to a short pitch length, you may get the batsmen pulling or hooking a few times and may get them out. But they dont even seem to be willing to bend their back, (perhaps out of fear of getting injured).

Yes.thatsvwhy taller bowlers are more useful on flat pitches. You won't get injured due to natural height bounce. 

 

Shorter you ate the more you need to bend or bowl in back of length areas. 

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57 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

SKY is not young.  He is almost 31 and his batting style suits only T20 format at best.  He is too much of a hit and miss type of batsman.  Not a good fielder either.   We must accept the fact that our batting cupboard is bare and move on.   Youngsters like Gill and Iyer are so poor that their batting makes Pujara look like Bradman.  Upcoming youngsters are even worse.  

Agreed . But it’s time to look at the youngsters in mp team , in mumbai 

 

we have been not giving people breaks at right time . Rahane was persisted with instead of grooming a fresh batter . Vihari has regressed . 
 

give a chance to players in form . SRK has hit so many hundreds . Bharat was in good form in practise match . Players like sanju Sampson can be tried in tests too . Our issue is we mix up formats , have no clear process . 
 

our cupboards are not bare . Somehow we have forgotten to give 18 year kids a chance in tests . We persist with oldies in odi and tests . 
 

 

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