2nd T20I , Edgbaston ,July 09, 2022, India tour of England

[Ankit_sharma03]

3 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

He received a lot of criticism after their flop show this season.

that's idiotic criticism coz its no team can win every year , next guy to him has captained more seasons and yet one behind him 

[nitinbwj]

Jadeja is more of a batting allrounder. He won't finish his quota of 4 most days but this was an intelligent innings 

[nitinbwj]

Did anyone recall that Bumrah slower delivery that completely fooled Ollie Robinson in that famous test match which we won courtesy Bumrah and Siraj late wickets. Only 9 overs were left that day. Bowled a similar delivery today to Livingstone. Should have bowled that delivery to Bairstow when he was new to crease in the manhoos last test. He didn't try that. 

[Ankit_sharma03]

6 minutes ago, maniac said:

Umran can learn slower ball like Ferguson/ Archer.

 

Harshal has 1-3 variations tough to read but will eventually be found out.

 

that’s the problem.

yea he can but let him first

Also i know umran will be a long race horse and will develop his skill with new ball to but in present not the case. Also doesnt mean to disregard harshal on pointless basis of pace whereas its length 

I want both in squad to use them acc to pitches opposition n matchups. 

Also about variation - t20 is a lot of about variation of length n pace rather then just being one pace 

 

When u atalk about archer n lockie- archer is a complete bowler and lockie lacks skills with new ball which is why he has caused headaches for his selection be it KKR or GT so even someone like lockie has limitation and likewise umran struggles with new ball so he also has limitation. If harshal relies on variation which is far more expanding topic then it seems then umran also just relies on Pace so both are limited in their own ways .

Count the numbers of players who has issues against high pace in top side ull find very few names and those guys wud also be ppl who mostly has issues against a certain length (key word is always length)

 

Its not harshal now i have allergy how ppl disregard guys like harshal, chahar, bhuvi ............yes they ll have bad days but so will others . What Umran or other XYZ will be in future is great but present cant be ignored specially when Wc is on head . Also when u make a squad u need every kind of option. For all his limitation harshal did bumrah death over role in last few series quite well..................kyun gaali du main usko . If something happens to bumrah man we wud need harshal 

 

I want all variation in squad

umran- pace

harshal- variation bowler

Arshdeep - left armer

 

I find both wrong to go after umran or harshal after bad games- its t20 they are allowed to and they are ur better choices atleast patience with them

 

but why compare n disregard other . 

[vvvslaxman]

Interesting to hear Broad/Morgan sharing their thoughts. Morgan feels in swinging conditions they need an extra batsman.

[vvvslaxman]

6 minutes ago, nitinbwj said:

Did anyone recall that Bumrah slower delivery that completely fooled Ollie Robinson in that famous test match which we won courtesy Bumrah and Siraj late wickets. Only 9 overs were left that day. Bowled a similar delivery today to Livingstone. Should have bowled that delivery to Bairstow when he was new to crease in the manhoos last test. He didn't try that. 

 

Rohit suggested Bumrah bowling a slower one in one of the Tests in Australia at the stroke of lunch. He completely bamboozled Shaun Marsh who was trapped in front. 

[maniac]

2 minutes ago, Ankit_sharma03 said:

yea he can but let him first

Also i know umran will be a long race horse and will develop his skill with new ball to but in present not the case. Also doesnt mean to disregard harshal on pointless basis of pace whereas its length 

I want both in squad to use them acc to pitches opposition n matchups. 

Also about variation - t20 is a lot of about variation of length n pace rather then just being one pace 

 

When u atalk about archer n lockie- archer is a complete bowler and lockie lacks skills with new ball which is why he has caused headaches for his selection be it KKR or GT so even someone like lockie has limitation and likewise umran struggles with new ball so he also has limitation. If harshal relies on variation which is far more expanding topic then it seems then umran also just relies on Pace so both are limited in their own ways .

Count the numbers of players who has issues against high pace in top side ull find very few names and those guys wud also be ppl who mostly has issues against a certain length (key word is always length)

 

Its not harshal now i have allergy how ppl disregard guys like harshal, chahar, bhuvi ............yes they ll have bad days but so will others . What Umran or other XYZ will be in future is great but present cant be ignored specially when Wc is on head . Also when u make a squad u need every kind of option. For all his limitation harshal did bumrah death over role in last few series quite well..................kyun gaali du main usko . If something happens to bumrah man we wud need harshal 

 

I want all variation in squad

umran- pace

harshal- variation bowler

Arshdeep - left armer

 

I find both wrong to go after umran or harshal after bad games- its t20 they are allowed to and they are ur better choices atleast patience with them

 

but why compare n disregard other . 

Deepak C has a way more upside than Harshal. Harshal is more of an Axar type tulla. Thakur has natural hand eye coordination and talent but in LOIs doesn’t have the temperament. Chahar has a proper batting temperament. That’s why I prefer him and with new ball can be as deadly as Bhuvi in suitable conditions. There is only place for 1 or Harshal-Thakur and Chahar and my preference is Chahar .

In t20 I prefer Harshal over Thakur in ODIs Thakur is better.

[vvvslaxman]

Morgan is very impressive to listen to. He has very clear thoughts about batting approach. You need players with vision and someone who communicates well. England was lucky to have him as captain for so long.

[Jay]

If you are a trundler then you better have McGrath level bounce or ability to move the ball or say someone like air's ability to flick his wrists and move at decent pace. 

Don't have either? Don't bother playing. 

 

Just look at Aussie attack

 

Stoinis at 6

Maxwell at 7

Cummins at 8

Starc at 9

Hazelwood 10

Zampa 11

 

Follow same blueprint.

 

Pandu at 6

Chahar at 7

Harshal at 8

bhubi at 9

Bunrah at 10

Umran at 11

Edited July 9, 2022 by Jay

[Frustrated]

The TM should stick to these set of players for the WT20.   Except Loli and S iyer (he is already dropped)

Only weak link seems to be H Patel. But lets see.

[zen]

19 minutes ago, maniac said:

There is only place for 1 or Harshal-Thakur and Chahar and my preference is Chahar .

 

Not really, India could (not necessarily that it should) play Thakur/D Chahar at #7 & Harshal at #8 ... Harshal-Thakur-D Chhar-x selection issue only comes if competing for #8 (say Jadeja is #7) and the type of the mix of 3 other bowlers: For e.g. if

 

a) Ind has Bumrah-Bhuvi-Yuzi, then Harshal makes sense as the 4th bowler (as D Chahar is similar to Bhuvi) 

b) Ind has Bumrah-Umran/Avesh-Yuzi, then D Chahar has an opportunity as the powerplay bowler

c) etc. 

 

The eventual choice depends upon who the other bowlers are and the form as the tournament nears

Edited July 9, 2022 by zen

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, Jay said:

If you are a trundler then you better have McGrath level bounce or ability to move the ball or say someone like air's ability to flick his wrists and move at decent pace. 

Don't have either? Don't bother playing. 

 

Just look at Aussie attack

 

Stoinis at 6

Maxwell at 7

Cummins at 8

Starc at 9

Hazelwood 10

Zampa 11

 

Follow same blueprint.

 

Pandu at 6

Chahar at 7

Harshal at 8

bhubi at 9

Bunrah at 10

Umran at 11

 

6 right handed seamers is an overkill and it will be predictable. Not like opposition will shut the shop. They will target loose bowlers. Need a spinner.  Zampa is the biggest match winner in Australian  T20 history.  Zampa has played in 32 win of Australia. 52 wickets  ER 5.79  Strike rate 13.9. That is en anviable record.

[Jay]

2 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

6 right handed seamers is an overkill and it will be predictable. Not like opposition will shut the shop. They will target loose bowlers. Need a spinner.  Zampa is the biggest match winner in Australian  T20 history.  Zampa has played in 32 win of Australia. 52 wickets  ER 5.79  Strike rate 13.9. That is en anviable record.

Just as an example. Ideally I would have mohsin umran and bumrah. 

We don't have goodnspinners. I would go with bish he can bat. 

[Frustrated]

Hint of early swing,   And bazball gets punctured in the most bizarre fashion for the 2nd consecutive time.   

 

PS: Bazball is too dependent on Bairstow (maybe)

 

[Lord]

2 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Hint of early swing,   And bazball gets punctured in the most bizarre fashion for the 2nd consecutive time.   

 

PS: Bazball is too dependent on Bairstow (maybe)

 

Bazball is in Tests. Hes not the coach of LOI team

[Frustrated]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

Bazball is in Tests. Hes not the coach of LOI team

I see.  

[vvvslaxman]

5 minutes ago, Jay said:

Just as an example. Ideally I would have mohsin umran and bumrah. 

We don't have goodnspinners. I would go with bish he can bat. 

 

Bish batting useless in T20. As good as every other tailender. Also predictable bowler. Chahal and Kuldeep are better than him as a bowler given that Bishnoi has only one type of ball. He has to develop conventional leg spin in order to be effective. Otherwise they will treat him like an inswing bowler. Kuldeep has stunning career record in T20 internationals. 

[Frustrated]

So, We Won Despite Loli.   LOL 

 

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

So, We Won Despite Loli.   LOL 

 

 

 Bhuvi offset all our inadequacies in helpful conditions

[raki05]

4 hours ago, maniac said:

SDP 1(7) @zen prayers need to be stronger  

Avi rohit Aisa khela hota to chati pit pit k ro raha hota.