coffee_rules Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Any defense experts on this achievement? It was planned in 2005, work paced only from 2009. 13 years to build it seems slow. But it is still humongous. randomGuy, beetle and diga 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 3, 2022 Author Share Posted September 3, 2022 Also along with this we removed the St. George’s Cross from the Navy ensign Colonial past removed beetle, Khota, mishra and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Watershed moment. We could make another one in 5 years. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 38 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: Watershed moment. We could make another one in 5 years. We need a super carrier like the US has- we need atleast 3 carrier groups to counter China and pose a threat to them in South China sea... Pak is a bikhari anyway, one warship group is enough to blockade their ports Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 3, 2022 Author Share Posted September 3, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said: We need a super carrier like the US has- we need atleast 3 carrier groups to counter China and pose a threat to them in South China sea... Pak is a bikhari anyway, one warship group is enough to blockade their ports We had 2 earlier . This is the 3rd one. Solely built in India. This is momentous Edited September 3, 2022 by coffee_rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 55 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: We had 2 earlier . This is the 3rd one. Solely built in India. This is momentous Hasnt the oldest one from Soviet Era being decommissioned now? coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rkt.india Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 1 hour ago, coffee_rules said: We had 2 earlier . This is the 3rd one. Solely built in India. This is momentous One old carrier was retired. We have two now. China has three. US I think has 10. Now we are making third. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 3, 2022 Author Share Posted September 3, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said: Hasnt the oldest one from Soviet Era being decommissioned now? One was from Russia and one was a refurbished one from UK. I reckon If Russian one is decommissioned, we have two now. If we can speed up construction, we will have more soon Edited September 4, 2022 by coffee_rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 mishra, coffee_rules, sandeep and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G_B_ Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 This is a water shed moment for us. India needs 3/4 carriers. I feel it will take much less time to build another carrier like this. But this project needs the tejas naval version to replace the mig29k which are unreliable. I know there is chat of f18 etc on this but we need our own birds on this. ravishingravi, Vk1 and coffee_rules 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 20 hours ago, coffee_rules said: We had 2 earlier . This is the 3rd one. Solely built in India. This is momentous Not exactly. Very difficult to master power plant technology. Turbines are a very difficult to design and produce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 Step in the right direction. coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 (edited) 23 hours ago, coffee_rules said: Also along with this we removed the St. George’s Cross from the Navy ensign Colonial past removed why the f was this crap not done away with earlier is a surprise to me. And someone mentioned that it was removed once but then Congress govt brought it back? That's even worse. Edited September 4, 2022 by sandeep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandeep Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 4 hours ago, G_B_ said: This is a water shed moment for us. India needs 3/4 carriers. I feel it will take much less time to build another carrier like this. But this project needs the tejas naval version to replace the mig29k which are unreliable. I know there is chat of f18 etc on this but we need our own birds on this. Not sure if carriers offer that much value from a cost-benefit perspective over the next few decades. Warfare is moving away from large expensive platforms to fleets of autonomous cheaper expendable platforms. The PLAN has an armada of drones mapping the ocean subsurface. Just like cellphones gave India an opportunity to "catch up" to modern telecom availability for the masses without having to install old generation tech to the last village, Indian armed forces need to think progressively instead of greedily eyeing previous generation expensive white elephants. This is not about just aircraft carriers, but a general comment. Ashley Tellis made a 'telling' point recently that given India's budget constraints and priorities, going after a multi-carrier navy would translate into questionable budget allocations for a proper submarine force, which in terms of countering China and Pak, could potentially be of more importance. Again, I do not claim expertise in evaluating these questions, but these are questions that need to be raised and authoritatively addressed before trillions are spent and locked in to spend over the next 50 years. ravishingravi and Khota 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 4, 2022 Author Share Posted September 4, 2022 1 hour ago, sandeep said: Not sure if carriers offer that much value from a cost-benefit perspective over the next few decades. Warfare is moving away from large expensive platforms to fleets of autonomous cheaper expendable platforms. The PLAN has an armada of drones mapping the ocean subsurface. Just like cellphones gave India an opportunity to "catch up" to modern telecom availability for the masses without having to install old generation tech to the last village, Indian armed forces need to think progressively instead of greedily eyeing previous generation expensive white elephants. This is not about just aircraft carriers, but a general comment. Ashley Tellis made a 'telling' point recently that given India's budget constraints and priorities, going after a multi-carrier navy would translate into questionable budget allocations for a proper submarine force, which in terms of countering China and Pak, could potentially be of more importance. Again, I do not claim expertise in evaluating these questions, but these are questions that need to be raised and authoritatively addressed before trillions are spent and locked in to spend over the next 50 years. But how will you fly those armada of drones from 1000s of miles away. With aircraft carriers it can be launched from 100 miles away from the enemy esp Pak and China Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 4, 2022 Author Share Posted September 4, 2022 2 hours ago, sandeep said: why the f was this crap not done away with earlier is a surprise to me. And someone mentioned that it was removed once but then Congress govt brought it back? That's even worse. NDA removed it in 1999. UPA-1 got it back. Modi didn’t do it in 2014 for some unknown reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted September 4, 2022 Author Share Posted September 4, 2022 3 hours ago, Khota said: Not exactly. Very difficult to master power plant technology. Turbines are a very difficult to design and produce. It was integrated in India. Parts could be from outside Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetle Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 21 hours ago, coffee_rules said: One was from Russia and one was a refurbished one from UK. I reckon If Russian one is decommissioned, we have two now. If we can speed up construction, we will have more soon Vikramaditya...the Russian one is operational. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Khota Posted September 4, 2022 Share Posted September 4, 2022 59 minutes ago, coffee_rules said: But how will you fly those armada of drones from 1000s of miles away. With aircraft carriers it can be launched from 100 miles away from the enemy esp Pak and China In modern warfare a carrier may not survive the first 5 minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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