I really miss those times when we had a Smaller Pool of Fast Bowlers to Select from!!

[Chakdephatte]

1 minute ago, nitinbwj said:

Why wasn't he selected ? Injured ?

 

Failed in IPL.

[nitinbwj]

13 minutes ago, Chakdephatte said:

 

Failed in IPL.

To hell with IPL.Warner *ed everyone in WC and he failed big in the IPL.I do not consider failures in IPL as a cause of concern.Its a paisa banayo contest.

[express bowling]

25 minutes ago, nitinbwj said:

Why wasn't he selected ? Injured ?

 

No

[Ankit_sharma03]

On 9/6/2022 at 2:59 PM, Sean Bradley said:

Back in early 2000s, Bowlers with Genuine Pace eg. Zaheer Khan, Agarkar, Nehra, were all selected in the National Side during their Peak Performances. 

but small pool hampered their game in that 4-5 yr phase

They use to get injured and bought back just by clearing fitness and then break down again specially Zak and Nehra . It was a circle that affected those pacers during ganguly era..........

Zak got better only once chappel dropped him and went away to play county where he improved his skill and fitness. 

 

These days when someone gets dropped we have enough back that we can give the injured player to recover well and come back

[Stan AF]

On 9/7/2022 at 12:39 AM, Majestic said:

Some delusions which have got reality checks in this series :-

 

1. Bhuvi is good in death overs. He got smashed in both games in death overs vs Pakistan and Sri Lanka both. He should only strict himself with the new ball and no way can he and Deepak Chahar play together now. Neither are good in death overs. 

 

 

 

3. Pandya is a middle order enforcer. Again a crap. He is a one trick pony, was scared to bowl upfront whenever he was getting smashed on those bouncers. He just didn't had the confidence to bowl any other line and length, continued bowling short balls and ended with figures of 4 overs, 40 odd runs.

 

 

 

 

I had to literally argue with a lot of my friends who swallowed that bhuvi is a death overs specialist BS. That puny bugger has been taking the indian team on a ride for the last 10 years. Never takes wickets and has not won a single game on his own in his entire career. The PR around almost every indian player is astounding.

 

I've mentioned it in the game thread about Pandya. Relying on him as a main bowler for any multi team tournament let alone a quadrangular like Asia cup itself is a folly. Taking him on to the WC as a 4 over main bowler will be a disaster. There's a reason why he averages in the high 30s in whiteball formats.

[nitinbwj]

36 minutes ago, Stan AF said:

 

I had to literally argue with a lot of my friends who swallowed that bhuvi is a death overs specialist BS. That puny bugger has been taking the indian team on a ride for the last 10 years. Never takes wickets and has not won a single game on his own in his entire career. The PR around almost every indian player is astounding.

 

I've mentioned it in the game thread about Pandya. Relying on him as a main bowler for any multi team tournament let alone a quadrangular like Asia cup itself is a folly. Taking him on to the WC as a 4 over main bowler will be a disaster. There's a reason why he averages in the high 30s in whiteball formats.

And Rohit has the guts to say that everyone is relaxed and chill. BC...fir aaye kyon ho yahan.Duniya pe ehsan karne. These bloody jokers have lost all sense of accountability. Besharams have the audacity to defend their moronic selections in the name of experiments. No one can justify the exclusion of Bishnoi after what he did against Pak and the inclusion of that trundler **** Bhuvi in every game. These shameless creatures don't deserve our time.

[Jay]

3 hours ago, Adamant said:

When I see watcg Indian attack I don't see a single bowler who actually is threatening or can produce wickets and this includes spinners, even with Bumrah we won't be effective as even he isn't a great wicket taker in t20s. 

 

We need better wicket takers but the problem is we don't have them. 

 

Guys like Prasidh, Mohsin etc are not good enough, there's nobody like Rauf, Shaheen or Naseem in India. 

 

But the problem is we don't realise that, we think we have all the Akram abd Mcgraths waiting to be selected, lol. 

 

We are a talent bankrupted nation as far as pace bowling is concerned. 

 

 

Show me one bowler in the history of Indian cricket who moves the WHITE BALL ball at 145 like Shaheen does or even Naseem? 

 

Just one example would be enough and I will backtrack on what I said. 

 

@express bowling  @Jay

No one cares about t20. We have way better bowlers in tests and odi. You know the format that matters. * t20. Leave it for minnows like parkies. Your country that is.that too only in Dubai.

 

 

Hahahahha

 

We will see in Australia buddy.

Parkies going to get their chassis undressed there. Your phasst trundlers will get smoked. Even in shitty t20 games

[zen]

With so much cricket being played, it is good to have a larger pool of bowlers to rotate. 

 

If the TM/selectors do not pick an optimized squad, that is a different issue. 

[Chakdephatte]

7 hours ago, nitinbwj said:

To hell with IPL.Warner *ed everyone in WC and he failed big in the IPL.I do not consider failures in IPL as a cause of concern.Its a paisa banayo contest.

 

Why you people like to make fun of IPL. These leagues will be even more common and more relevant in future. Just like how it is with football, where international is irrelevant apart from World Cup. You just have to accept is.

 

As a format, it's no different than T20Is, performance here matters.

[Adamant]

9 hours ago, raki05 said:

I believe you are joking Bumrah is more complete bowler than these 2 not even a comparison. Saheen has advantage of being lefty and because of one T20 performance against India don't blind yourself. Indian dud got exposed against Laghushanka. As per you Laghushanka is also better than Bumrah. This Shaheen guy is worst death bowler have you seen his death bowling. Also he is only good in loi on initial over bust. His test performance are all against mediocre team. They freaking lost a series against aus only good team travelled their at home. Bumrah is top 3 bowler in the world not just by stats but performance. Now don't talk about choking in icc ko as your God would Trump everyone in that department.

I am not talking about whos the more complete bowler. 

I am talking about moving white ball at 145. 

Bumrah doesn't do that. 

[raki05]

Just now, Adamant said:

I am not talking about whos the more complete bowler. 

I am talking about moving white ball at 145. 

Bumrah doesn't do that. 

Bumrah sure did during English series. 

[Adamant]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

If someone considers Bumrah  Shami and Siraj as non-talented then I don't know what to say.

 

And they have already achieved much more in away test matches and test series than any Pakistani.pacer ever has. 

 

 

 

 

1. Shami moved the white ball at 140 k to 146 k during 2015 to 2020

 

Please Bro. I have seen shami enough to say that he doesn't move the white ball much. 

Moving the ball once in a while doesn't matter, did he do it consistently? 

No he didn't 

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

2. Umesh moved the white ball at 140 k to 150 k during 2011 to 2017

If Umesh moved the ball at 145 then why did he get carted all around? 

The thing is he bowled gun barrel straight with the odd delivery moving a fraction. 

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

3. Siraj moves the white ball at 135 k to 145 k / 148 k.

 

Not at all, he hardly bowls at 145 let alone moving the ball at 145.

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

4. Nehra moved the white ball at 140 k to 145 k or higher during 2002 to 2004

 

I was talking about moving the ball not bowling fulltosses. 

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

5. Sreesanth moved the white ball at 140 k to 148 k during 2007 and 2008.

This is the only example in which I can slightly agree with you still he got bludgeoned. 

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

Moving the ball is not the only style of bowling. Very few West Indian or Australian ATG pacers moved the ball consistently or significantly.

 

I know that, Bumrah is a better bowler than all Pakistanis but the problem is the attack loses potency when you don't have someone who moves the white ball at high pace in initial overs. 

Notice that I never talked about Red ball

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

P.S .... a)  The percentage of deliveries at 145 k or higher is not that high by Naseem or Shaheen. 

I meant 140-145, I haven't seen any Indian bowler bowl at that pace and actually move the WHITE ball consistently in initial overs. 

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

b)  Pakistan has not produced a single pacer in the last 19 years who has taken 200 test wickets. Even in ODIs, their only decent pacer in the last 15 years, Umar Gul, has a highish average. 

 

I am not even talking about this, India has the better bowling attack in last decade. 

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

So, the 15 years between Shoaib and Shaheen, they have not been able to produce much effective talent.

 

 

I agree with that. 

 

I just know that Indian pacers don't move the WHITE ball at high pace. 

 

@Jay @raki05 

[Adamant]

6 hours ago, Jay said:

No one cares about t20. We have way better bowlers in tests and odi. You know the format that matters. * t20. Leave it for minnows like parkies. Your country that is.that too only in Dubai.

 

 

Hahahahha

 

We will see in Australia buddy.

Parkies going to get their chassis undressed there. Your phasst trundlers will get smoked. Even in shitty t20 games

I don't think that we have a better attack in odis. 

In tests definitely we are way ahead. 

 

See, I live in reality and what I observe I lay it out, don't care if you label me Pakistani or not. 

 

I am a hardcore Indian and that too from UP, so a hardcore Hindu. 

[express bowling]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

 

Please Bro. I have seen shami enough to say that he doesn't move the white ball much. 

Moving the ball once in a while doesn't matter, did he do it consistently? 

No he didn't 

 

 

Shami is primarily a seam bowler and normally we get to see seam movement both ways even with the white ball. Happens because of his amazing seam position. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

If Umesh moved the ball at 145 then why did he get carted all around? 

The thing is he bowled gun barrel straight with the odd delivery moving a fraction. 

 

Umesh's issue was lack of accuracy when he was genuinely quick for 6 years. He has always got consistent outswing but that wont count for much if one is spraying the ball.

 

Finally, when he got control after 6 long years, he became fast-medium.

 

 

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

Not at all, he hardly bowls at 145 let alone moving the ball at 145.

 

 

Siraj bowls loads of bslls at 140 k to 147 k in white ball cricket. And moves the ball too.   ( And bowls at these speeds in tests in Asia too )

 

 

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

I was talking about moving the ball not bowling fulltosses. 

 

 

Surely no one can have a solid ODI career by bowling just full tosses. Nehra was a lovely swing bowler at sharp pace. 

 

 

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

 

I know that, Bumrah is a better bowler than all Pakistanis but the problem is the attack loses potency when you don't have someone who moves the white ball at high pace in initial overs. 

Notice that I never talked about Red ball

 

That's more to do with team plan and not ability.

 

For a long time, all Indian pacers were bowling back of a length with the new ball in white ball cricket. And I did not dupport this thought process.

 

[Jay]

3 hours ago, Adamant said:

I don't think that we have a better attack in odis. 

In tests definitely we are way ahead. 

 

See, I live in reality and what I observe I lay it out, don't care if you label me Pakistani or not. 

 

I am a hardcore Indian and that too from UP, so a hardcore Hindu. 

We have a better attack in odi. I live in reality too. Parki odi attack is a phattu attack. 

If we pick the right combo we can easily have the best odi attack. That's reality. We don't due to some political quota bs.