India's lack of depth leads to myriad of experiments in the top and middle

[vvvslaxman]

India has so many scenarios where their batting will fall apart at some stage.  95/0 in 10 155/4 in 15. Then two more wickets in 16th and 17th over we are pretty much done.  This is probably best case scenario where India does well at the top and middle. Still we can very well muck it up in the last 3 overs.  From top 7 who has the capability to bat till 20th over. it is almost like they will have to play like Thala lol Taking it deep.  This is why top order must be split. Cannot have 3 proper batsman up the order. Rahul must bat down the order.  This job belongs to Pant ideally. But he hasn't found his range yet. So we have to find other alternatives.

[gattaca]

Man how long we are going to look for finisher ? Wasn’t the sane theme year after year ? 

[vvvslaxman]

32 minutes ago, gattaca said:

Man how long we are going to look for finisher ? Wasn’t the sane theme year after year ? 

 

In T20 nobody wants to be finisher. Because your stats won't be flattering. As a top order you can make 40s, 50s and make your career look good. Cameos go unappreciated.  IPL teams just use guys like Hetmyer, Russell, Miller, Maxwell, Markram as finishers.  Few they tried flattered to deceive.  Sharukh khan was supposed to be a finisher. Wasn't going anywhere. IPL has slim pickings. Only two names i can come up with besides DK are

 

Tewatia 

 

Unpredictable. Not tested enough

 

Jitesh sharma 

 

Has a century and 8 fifties in T20. Career SR of 144.72. Did well for PKXI. 

 

Axar and Shabaz has played a couple. 

 

None of them can be compared with world's best finishers. Right now our only promising finishers are top order batsmen (assuming they stay till the end) Pandya was a renowned finisher for MI. But he has converted himself into another middle order "consoldiator'

 

 

[Khota]

The problems have always started at the top. Top needs to fire. 

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, Khota said:

The problems have always started at the top. Top needs to fire. 

 

Finishing is way more important in T20. Especially when you bat first and you don't finish well, opposition carry that confidence in to their innings. You have to hurt the opposition badly. We missed in both matches.

[vvvslaxman]

Rishi Dhawan :)  @Lord

[Khota]

4 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

Finishing is way more important in T20. Especially when you bat first and you don't finish well, opposition carry that confidence in to their innings. You have to hurt the opposition badly. We missed in both matches.

You finish well when you start well. If your start is choppy backend does not do much.

[vvvslaxman]

Just now, Khota said:

You finish well when you start well. If your start is choppy backend does not do much.

 

India did start well in most matches. They didn't exactly finish well. 

[Khota]

10 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

India did start well in most matches. They didn't exactly finish well. 

Against SL Both Rahul and Kohli failed. Hard to recover from that.  Kohli duck, Rahul 6. Not confidence building.

[Khota]

Hate to say Rahul regression has hurt the most. I had hopes and expectations from him and I have nothing but disappointment.

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Khota said:

Against SL Both Rahul and Kohli failed. Hard to recover from that.  Kohli duck, Rahul 6. Not confidence building.

 

Still we were racing away. When Rohit got out India was in prime position to post a huge total.

[Khota]

Just now, vvvslaxman said:

 

Still we were racing away. When Rohit got out India was in prime position to post a huge total.

But can you imagine if one of them hit 30. The game would have been in the bag.

[Vk1]

Finisher role in T20s is the most critical job along with death overs bowling.. if you keep offshoring it to foreigners in IPL then good luck with LOI cricket

[tweaker]

Surya should have ideally used as finisher but he made to open .

 

The team management knew that top 3 will not bat at any other position, they should have made Hooda ,Surya to gain as much experience in the middle order against Ireland, Zimbabwe, Westindies.

 

They also changed batting order of Pant and Pandya who should ideally bat at 5 and 6.

 

There was no clarity of role of Dinesh Karthik who was chosen for such roles.

 

Coach,Captain ,team management has totally screwed the team combination with irresponsible experimentations.

 

Inspite of having Pandya,Pant,Karthik,Patel the team management has failed to assign specific role to players 

[tweaker]

Surya should have ideally used as finisher but he made to open .

 

The team management knew that top 3 will not bat at any other position, they should have made Hooda ,Surya to gain as much experience in the middle order against Ireland, Zimbabwe, Westindies.

 

They also changed batting order of Pant and Pandya who should ideally bat at 5 and 6.

 

There was no clarity of role of Dinesh Karthik who was chosen for such roles.

 

Coach,Captain ,team management has totally screwed the team combination with irresponsible experimentations.

 

Inspite of having Pandya,Pant,Karthik,Patel the team management has failed to assign specific role to players 

[mani sha]

2 hours ago, tweaker said:

Surya should have ideally used as finisher but he made to open .

 

The team management knew that top 3 will not bat at any other position, they should have made Hooda ,Surya to gain as much experience in the middle order against Ireland, Zimbabwe, Westindies.

 

They also changed batting order of Pant and Pandya who should ideally bat at 5 and 6.

 

There was no clarity of role of Dinesh Karthik who was chosen for such roles.

 

Coach,Captain ,team management has totally screwed the team combination with irresponsible experimentations.

 

Inspite of having Pandya,Pant,Karthik,Patel the team management has failed to assign specific role to players 

wait a bit. top 3 is finally settled . no 4 is sky , no 5 is pandya . no 6 and 7 will be karthick and hooda

axar at 8 , bhuvi/chahar/harshal at 9 , bumrah at 10 and shami at 11 

 

the above 13 plus chahal, bishnoi and ashwin imo will make the wc. 

 

if jadeja is fit, he will replace bhuvi or chahar or slower ball specialist harshal 

 

outside chance for umran, arshdeep and prasiddha/avesh . sundar too might get a shoe in if fit 

 

team is settling but we have too many injuries . 

 

i feel that they have given enough exposure to hooda and sky to be ready for world cup . shastri was of the opinion that having fewer openers allows team to carry an extra fast bowler

 

[The Realist]

6 hours ago, Vk1 said:

Finisher role in T20s is the most critical job along with death overs bowling.. if you keep offshoring it to foreigners in IPL then good luck with LOI cricket

 

Spot on. Every IPL team has an overseas player in the finisher role - the domestic talent is either ignored or non-existent. 

 

Nobody selected in the national team wants to play as a finisher, harms their stat padding and career stats. Hence death over batting is so poor every tournament. 

[vvvslaxman]

Time to weed out all the one-dimensional hacks and promote a side with depth and skill.  Against BD we should have scored a lot more than what we ended up with. after "finisher" got out we were pretty stuck..  India needs depth give a finishing kick. 

[Vk1]

bcoz of constant failures of DK & Hardik, Ashwin is getting picked knowing that he would at max pick a single wicket and no assurance of finishing his quota

[vvvslaxman]

37 minutes ago, Vk1 said:

bcoz of constant failures of DK & Hardik, Ashwin is getting picked knowing that he would at max pick a single wicket and no assurance of finishing his quota

 

In terms of batting also we are found wanting after 4 wickets down.