QuarantineTormentino Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 With Pakistan on the verge of default and facing a prospect of civil war, not to mention getting attacked frequently by terrorist and separatist groups, would any person in their right mind want to join them, no matter fundamentalist they are? I think if a plebiscite were held in the near future (next one or two months) majority of Kashmiris will want to cede to India Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lone Wolf Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 For that to happen it is mandatory according to UN that Pakistan must vacate PoK or Gilgit Baltistan. We don't know how many Punjabis have already settled there illegally. I guess they scrapped state subject rule a long while ago. So outsiders have easily settled there. With India revoking art 370 Pakistan may not agree with results too. Also what about Ladakh? It Would be a colossal waste of time. Khota and sukhoi 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravishingravi Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 31 minutes ago, QuarantineTormentino said: With Pakistan on the verge of default and facing a prospect of civil war, not to mention getting attacked frequently by terrorist and separatist groups, would any person in their right mind want to join them, no matter fundamentalist they are? I think if a plebiscite were held in the near future (next one or two months) majority of Kashmiris will want to cede to India Nope. India has done what it needs to. It has closed the door for Pakistan and world. Now its a question of decade long integration. This doesn't help the story. Only gives enemy new lease of life. Khota, sukhoi and mishra 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 No. You don't hold plebiscite in your own country. End of story. Chakdephatte, nevada, mishra and 1 other 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 ^^ Yes. Why is there a need for plebiscite ? It is not 1948 and power is not with Lehru. Khota and mishra 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsriharsha Posted February 5, 2023 Share Posted February 5, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, QuarantineTormentino said: With Pakistan on the verge of default and facing a prospect of civil war, not to mention getting attacked frequently by terrorist and separatist groups, would any person in their right mind want to join them, no matter fundamentalist they are? I think if a plebiscite were held in the near future (next one or two months) majority of Kashmiris will want to cede to India as soon as Pak withdraws its troops from PoK. J&K isn't disputed land. PoK and "Aksai Chin" are. Edited February 5, 2023 by bsriharsha mishra and Khota 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SM2907 Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Once Pak is out of POK, then plebiscite should be held, in Pakistan on whether Pakistan should have been created. Barring terrorism and entertainment value by being stupid, it offers little to this world mishra 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 Kashmir is India's end of story.. anyone in the Valley who doesnt like the fact then they can leave for Pakistan.. i will gladly facilitate any costs to relocate them Khota, nevada and mishra 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 3 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said: Kashmir is India's end of story.. anyone in the Valley who doesnt like the fact then they can leave for Pakistan.. i will gladly facilitate any costs to relocate them Lol.. not a single Kashmiri would like cross into Pakistan now. And looking at the mess Pakistan made of themselves, all sane minded Kashmiris would quit the self-rule gang too as they wouldn't want to be queuing for atta-dal with no power and gas. Now militancy is mostly limited to the religious blinded youths who think it is below their dignity to remain under Kuffr rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 With Pakistan busy with begging around the world, the best time now is to just go for the extreme brute power in Kashmir. Kill whatever is left of Hurriyat etc. Choke the money routes and pick/kill every preacher at grass root who indulges in drawing the youth towards fanaticism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 On 2/5/2023 at 1:59 PM, Khota said: No. You don't hold plebiscite in your own country. End of story. India has signed a UN Human Rights treaty on one condition that it will not ever be asked to do plebiscite on its states and UTs. Kashmirs status has changed now as UT or may change as State. But its no longer Maharaja Haris Singh's princely state. People forget that After abbrogation of article 370, the next big legal movve was changing it into UT. No one talks about the purpose and how shrewdly it was done Only place where plebiscite can be argued in UN is if tommorrow India anexes Gilgit and then before it makes it a UT, Someone goes to UN and forces India to do a plebiscite via a resolution before Gilgit become a UT as per Indian system Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 4 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said: Kashmir is India's end of story.. anyone in the Valley who doesnt like the fact then they can leave for Pakistan.. i will gladly facilitate any costs to relocate them So are Kashmiris. You dont have to open ur wallet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bsriharsha Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 34 minutes ago, Number said: With Pakistan busy with begging around the world, the best time now is to just go for the extreme brute power in Kashmir. Kill whatever is left of Hurriyat etc. Choke the money routes and pick/kill every preacher at grass root who indulges in drawing the youth towards fanaticism. Just keep more money into Kashmir and give them jobs etc. You'll have more people working and earning money instead of relying on stone pelting for money. And ofcourse make an example of the hate mongers so that people think twice before engaging in those activities. As the saying goes iron fist in a velvet glove. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordPrabhzy Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 2 hours ago, mishra said: So are Kashmiris. You dont have to open ur wallet. most kashmiri muslims dont consider themselves as indians... if they want is to only harm India they can piss off out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 6, 2023 Share Posted February 6, 2023 (edited) 31 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said: most kashmiri muslims dont consider themselves as indians... if they want is to only harm India they can piss off out See violence is generally more visible. People are afraid of violence. You have to understand that army is only called if state machinery spectacularly fails, So that is Kashmir. You do know that initial plebiscite was watered down by Pakistan at the time of partition because there was a fear of Kashmiri Muslims that they will vote for India. Infact, Paksitani generals have been doing their research all the time and gauging the mood of local Kashmiris and they have not ever once recorded in past 70 years that Kashmir is ripe for a pro Pakistan vote. Now, Do you know that at the height of Kashmir burning in 1990s, Jagmohan ji in his book has clearly mentioned who he wanted his commander. He was a Kashmiri Muslim who agreed to deal with situation but next day he retracted. Jagmohanji makes a guess that it was his fear for his family and loved ones that he retracted. Now this is what power of violence achieves in absence of state writ. Do you know the army two commanders who managed Kashmiri uprising in nineties under Jagmohan. One of them was a Muslim. How he and his commanders dealt with it, he didnt mention. Before you question, Ask yourself, Could it be threat on loved ones life because she may have presume that state wont be able to protect her for singing wron signals to terrorist by coming out as a idol for Kashmiri girls that Zaira Wasim declined future roles in Bollywood And Why today, Umran Malik playing in Indian team giving a damn about the very same terrorists. So its unfair to question Kasmiri Muslims till GoI can make them feel that they are protected to speak against Pakistani funded Terrorism Edited February 6, 2023 by mishra Lord 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevada Posted February 7, 2023 Share Posted February 7, 2023 17 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said: Kashmir is India's end of story.. anyone in the Valley who doesnt like the fact then they can leave for Pakistan.. i will gladly facilitate any costs to relocate them Exactly my thoughts as well. All those Kashmiris who are unhappy about staying with India can leave and go to Pakistan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 21 hours ago, nevada said: Exactly my thoughts as well. All those Kashmiris who are unhappy about staying with India can leave and go to Pakistan. They don't want to be with Pakistan also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nevada Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 42 minutes ago, Khota said: They don't want to be with Pakistan also. Didn't Gilgit-Baltistan merge with Pakistan? Anyways, their vision of being an independent country is a pipe dream and will never come to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khota Posted February 8, 2023 Share Posted February 8, 2023 52 minutes ago, nevada said: Didn't Gilgit-Baltistan merge with Pakistan? Anyways, their vision of being an independent country is a pipe dream and will never come to fruition. Gilgit-Baltistan is part of India. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 "most oportune" is a tautology. When you say opportune, it conveys the meaning of 'most convenient/favourable' time, IMHO. On topic, India should not a plebiscite until Pakistan removes all its forces from PoK and rehabilitates the non Kashmiris who they have settled in the Kashmir they occupy. Only then, we can *think* of a plebiscite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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