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It was touched on at the end of the match when Waugh mentioned the number of over 30 players in the Indian team along with Ashwin and Jadeja not getting any younger who will need to be replaced over the next few yrs. However even in other formats guys like Sky are over 30 and many of the ones who are under are also in their late 20s having not quite established themselves in the team already like Kuldeep which means there is possibly a limit to how much use we can get out of them. Players we have recently selected as bench players like Unadkut are all domestic journeymen with lot of miles on the clock. Even Siraj made his debut quite late while long time performers like Sarfaraz are not even getting a look in.  

Is a prolonged transition period something we need to brace for considering the lack of succession planning in place during Kohli and Shastrs time of having enough obvious future first team players like Pant and Gill around the team exacerbated by giving senior players extra long rope despite failing for a long time who will all call it a day together? 

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In the 2nd half of 2023, we may see a move towards younger players in probably all formats. 

 

Players in the to phase out zone (34+):

  • Jadeja 34
  • Kohli 34
  • Pujara 35
  • Umesh 35
  • Rohit 35
  • Ashwin 36
  • Dhawan 37
  • DK 37

 

Players in the mid zone (32-34):

  • Unadkat 31
  • Thakur 31
  • Tripathi 31
  • SKY 32
  • Chahal 32
  • Agarwal 32
  • Shami 32
  • Bhuvi 33 
  • Jayant 33

 

 

 

 

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The lack of modern day cricket will cost Ind in longterm specially in batting. fast bowling can be sorted out with proper selection a grooming.

 

Ind's Batting and Spin seems to be way behind. No youngster can play modern shots that's why Ind has to pick SKY, Tripathi , Partidar who are in their 30s but playing modern day game. 

Even if Ind wants to find-out replacement for Pant in t20 they have to pick Jitesh. Not saying these selections are bad if they are good enough then age should not matter.

But the problem is ind next gen. batters lacks power and Intent. There are no mystery spinner or a quality spinner.

 

Ind TM are making random changes without much thought behind it. This will be like a repeat of last two T20 WCs where they didnt know who is injured who is not.

 

 

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The series vs Bangladesh was the right time to start. Sarfaraz should have played for instance.

 

What I would say is this is where the A team tours will also be useful. When the last bunch of legends finally called it quits, guys like Rahane, Vijay, Pujara had a lot of domestic and A team cricket under their belt so the transition was easier.

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The Gabba match has proven that we have enough talent to put up a fight against any team. Non performing oldies are a burden and costing us with their continued presence. Ashwin and Jaddu will be difficult to replace as they both can also bat. But if we have a decent batting line-up without washed up frauds, we won't need regular lower order contributions. 

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In tests if your good enough age shouldn’t be an issue, in fact a few players get better with age. England aren’t fools to keep playing Anderson (40+) and Broad (36). Ashwin and Jadeja fit this bill for us. Either or both of them easily play till 38-40. However players like Kohli, Pujara, etc. are way past it and must be replaced ASAP. I’m not even going to get started on KL

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1 hour ago, QuarantineTormentino said:

In tests if your good enough age shouldn’t be an issue, in fact a few players get better with age. England aren’t fools to keep playing Anderson (40+) and Broad (36). Ashwin and Jadeja fit this bill for us. Either or both of them easily play till 38-40. However players like Kohli, Pujara, etc. are way past it and must be replaced ASAP. I’m not even going to get started on KL

In batting especially having 5-6 players retire at once and then having 5-6 new players come into the team to replace them unsettles the whole team because it is more process oriented and takes a lot of fine tuning and iterative improvements to come upto speed in international cricket so you need  relatively better planning in that area compared to other ones. Both Australia from 2008 onwards until 2013 or so and Sl from 2015 onwards until now are going through this. 

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For ODI, the planning should start after the ODI world cup.
We may see Kohli, Rohit, Jadeja, Shami, Chahal getting phase out.

In T20, we should do short term planning for 2 years. Whoever in form, pick them based on conditions and don't fret about age.

In Test, we should start the trainsition phase after WTC Final.
Sarfaraz, Gill, Jaiswal should come in and get chnaces.
Rohit & Kohli can stick around fort thee experience for 2 more years.
Jadeja/Ashwin should concentrate on test format only.
Shami, Umesh should also play tests only.

 




 

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18 hours ago, rollingstoned said:

It was touched on at the end of the match when Waugh mentioned the number of over 30 players in the Indian team along with Ashwin and Jadeja not getting any younger who will need to be replaced over the next few yrs. However even in other formats guys like Sky are over 30 and many of the ones who are under are also in their late 20s having not quite established themselves in the team already like Kuldeep which means there is possibly a limit to how much use we can get out of them. Players we have recently selected as bench players like Unadkut are all domestic journeymen with lot of miles on the clock. Even Siraj made his debut quite late while long time performers like Sarfaraz are not even getting a look in.  

Is a prolonged transition period something we need to brace for considering the lack of succession planning in place during Kohli and Shastrs time of having enough obvious future first team players like Pant and Gill around the team exacerbated by giving senior players extra long rope despite failing for a long time who will all call it a day together? 

 

TBH, we rarely plan properly for the future. Most of the chances which we give to the youngsters are either due to injuries/poor performances/failures.
Once that works, we stick to it till the same cycle repeats again.

Not going far beyond, our loss to Pakistan in 2012 series paved the way for inclusion of Shami into the team...instead of usual suspects like Dinda and Ishant. 

Even Bumrah was forced to debut against Australia because our death bowling was crap and Shami was on the surgical table.
Kuldeep and Chahal were injected only after we lost the CT 2017 WC due to failures by Ashwin and Jadeja.
Siraj was always known for his redball skills, still he was dragged and ridiculed for his white ball failures until he played BG trophy due to absence of lead pacers.
 

If not for the Asia Cup and WT20 failures...Umran Malik would still have been travelling from Kashmir to Kanniyakumari playing domestic matches.

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