The Ashes 2023

[Lone Wolf]

BazBall will be pretty successful on rank turners...  India are looking at a fight as far as batting goes.   Their spin options is what gives India advantage. 

 

[MechEng]

27 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

BazBall will be pretty successful on rank turners...  India are looking at a fight as far as batting goes.   Their spin options is what gives India advantage. 

 

 

Cannot be certain of that. That sort of batting worked in Pakistan because there was barely any turn there. You cannot hit a turning ball across the line all the time.

 

Yes, if England are able to cream fours after hitting the ball with the turn, that won't be bazball but extremely high skill of batting.

Edited August 1, 2023 by MechEng

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, MechEng said:

 

Cannot be certain of that. That sort of batting worked in Pakistan because there was barely any turn there. You cannot hit a turning ball across the line all the time.

 

Yes, if England are able to cream fours after hitting the ball with the turn, that won't be bazball but extremely high skill of batting.

On rank Turners sheer defence never works no matter how much tighter technique you have. 

Aggressive cricket yields results.  Eng only need 250-300 runs to make a game out of it. 

[Lone Wolf]

https://twitter.com/Fancricket12/status/1686101568494383104?t=-06RV9dgmNI-vMVnQy6sGw&s=19

https://twitter.com/Fancricket12/status/1686101568494383104?t=-06RV9dgmNI-vMVnQy6sGw&s=19

This is how BazBall will definately pose a touch challenge in India 

[wazza]

3 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Woakes has height plus truly even the trundlers aka here line length/control bowlers have to bowl in line and length to be effective

Our trundlers like Unadcutter,Thakur bowl both sides of the wicket but they get away for being "beautiful to eyes bowling"

Mukesha is another average mediocre trundler with no bounce but pseudo swing

Undacutta is 6.2 

Woakes is 6.05

184 cm 

Unda is 189 cm

Mookesh is short. 5'8

 

What's undas excuse? 

[wazza]

31 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

https://twitter.com/Fancricket12/status/1686101568494383104?t=-06RV9dgmNI-vMVnQy6sGw&s=19

https://twitter.com/Fancricket12/status/1686101568494383104?t=-06RV9dgmNI-vMVnQy6sGw&s=19

This is how BazBall will definately pose a touch challenge in India 

We dont need turners to beat them in Asia. 

Just normal pitches with some spin and bounce would suffice. 

We can Rip them apart provided we make correct selections.

[nevada]

4 hours ago, Frustrated said:

I knew it would be a drawn series, like the last ashes held in Eng (in 2019).  Even the scoreline is the same this time (2-2).   These two sides are quite evenly matched in english conditions.  In Aus, it's a different ball game altogether, where Eng usually play like minnows.  

I thought England would win 3-1. Didn't think their batsmen would implode repeatedly to surrender the advantage to the opposition. 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, nevada said:

I thought England would win 3-1. Didn't think their batsmen would implode repeatedly to surrender the advantage to the opposition. 

Manchester washout really costed England...  Australia should be happy to walk away with 2-2 (retaining Ashes) + WTC final. 

[sage]

 

 

[MechEng]

3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

On rank Turners sheer defence never works no matter how much tighter technique you have. 

Aggressive cricket yields results.  Eng only need 250-300 runs to make a game out of it. 

 

Aggressive cricket is not higher in priority over technique, making 250 on rank turners at 5 runs per over is peak Sehwag/Lara stuff.

 

If aggression is everything then Suresh Raina at his prime can smash Andy Roberts all over the park.

[Austin 3:!6]

Great series

[Gollum]

Real test for Bazball in 6 months time

[R!TTER]

6 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

BazBall will be pretty successful on rank turners...  India are looking at a fight as far as batting goes.   Their spin options is what gives India advantage. 

 

Not necessarily, it works better with truer bounce & places like Pak. When the balls spinning massively or the odd one keeping low you must have a tight defense, the flip side to that is of course on flatter surfaces like Chennai 2021 first test we could really lose big so should we afford 5 spin shootouts & make it a complete lottery? RGS, Rahane & yes even Kohli needs to go IMO but that's not happening - at least 2 of them will play vs Eng, if not all 3 

 

If we have flat surfaces in one or more tests I would really love to have this side packed with FTB's like Kishan, Mayank(?) or any Ranji bullies!

Edited August 1, 2023 by R!TTER

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, R!TTER said:

Not necessarily, it works better with truer bounce & places like Pak. When the balls spinning massively or the odd one keeping low you must have a tight defense, the flip side to that is of course on flatter surfaces like Chennai 2021 first test we could really lose big so should we afford 5 spin shootouts & make it a complete lottery? RGS, Rahane & yes even Kohli needs to go IMO but that's not happening - at least 2 of them will play vs Eng, if not all 3 

 

If we have flat surfaces in one or more tests I would really love to have this side packed with FTB's like Kishan, Mayank(?) or any Ranji bullies!

I am looking at venues like Rajkot & Dharamsala  are prime candidates for BazBall to succeed. 

Rajkot is either flat road or offers extremely slow turn.  Ball travels in Dharamsala due to higher altitude. 

 

Raging spitting red soil Turner Mumbai would test BazBall but no Test there. 

I am unsure how Hyderabad would play out. 

 

Overall Eng has a decent shot at winning 2 tests in India at least.  They need one more spinner to partner Leach.  

 

Kuhnemann was a average left arm spinner made to look like peak Herath in India.  If India goes right hand heavy they should deploy Liam Dawson alongside Leach. 

Wood should play in Rajkot & Dharamsala fully fit. 

[R!TTER]

The difference is Eng don't have much pedigree with their pace bowlers, Oz even with their lineup had much better pacers in India. If you take the last 10 or even 20 years' record Oz has consistently outperformed Eng with the ball in India, although results won't show that, the reason they've lost more is because their batters have been rather poor consistently post 2004, unlike Eng.

[Gollum]

Aus also had/have Lyon, only time Eng had that calibre spinner was when they had peak Swann. Leach and Ali are decent but I don't rate them higher than the Bangladeshi and Lankan spinners who repeatedly get bashed in our backyard. 

[coffee_rules]

This is fun.

 

 

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[nevada]

7 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

Manchester washout really costed England...  Australia should be happy to walk away with 2-2 (retaining Ashes) + WTC final. 

I feel the Aussies just play the game like a game without overthinking or letting the enormity of the occasion get to them. Travis Head teed off like he was playing against a club side and decided the WTC in his team's favor. In the first two games of the Ashes, they were at their combative best whenever they were at risk of falling behind in the game. They enjoyed the fruits of their early wins at the end of the series. England didn't play as well as they would have liked, probably because of all the hype about Bazball. They seemed more intent on Bazballing than actually winning the game. Dug themselves too big of a hole to climb out of. 

[Kothili]

https://www.themercury.com.au/sport/cricket/nothing-else-in-the-box-khawaja-questioned-umpires-brand-new-ball-change-in-ashes-finale/news-story/7fd330da681f40261d6804ba6e57b03b

[Lord]

5 hours ago, R!TTER said:

Not necessarily, it works better with truer bounce & places like Pak. When the balls spinning massively or the odd one keeping low you must have a tight defense, the flip side to that is of course on flatter surfaces like Chennai 2021 first test we could really lose big so should we afford 5 spin shootouts & make it a complete lottery? RGS, Rahane & yes even Kohli needs to go IMO but that's not happening - at least 2 of them will play vs Eng, if not all 3 

 

If we have flat surfaces in one or more tests I would really love to have this side packed with FTB's like Kishan, Mayank(?) or any Ranji bullies!

Add Pujara too.