The Ashes 2023

[Lord]

10 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

They way they will see it is better than before. In a way India won the famous 2021 series in Australia because of that positive approach. India was going to lose SCG test. Then  Pant broke free and completely disturbed their line and length. India got away with draw. Same in the final test. India being up against run rate Gill's ultra aggressive approach set the tone for us. Phattu batting rarely works in these conditions.  If the phattu batter is not surrounded by atleast few aggressive batsmen

 

yeah but both were relatively flat decks too.

 

Pujara also played a crucial role with Pant/Gill.

[vvvslaxman]

2 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

yeah but both were relatively flat decks too.

 

Pujara also played a crucial role with Pant/Gill.

 

Your other option is batting like West INdies did against us.

[Kothili]

24 minutes ago, Lord said:

yeah but both were relatively flat decks too.

 

Jay Shah must have personally rolled over them a few times.

Edited July 31, 2023 by Kothili

[Bigg Brother]

Such a blockbuster series this was. Rain ruined it in 4th test otherwise thoroughly enjoyable series. 

 

This is how 5 test match series should be. Kudos to Australian players as well, most of them went on to play 6 test matches in span of 2 months without any injury. Not easy to maintain that zeal and energy but brilliant on their part unlike our sooperstars who would have wanted rest after 2 matches or broke down while playing or run away for playing IPeeL. Anyway great entertainment this was. Now will have to wait for 1.5 year , I wonder what would be the team composition of Australia when they play next Ashes as many of them are 33+.

[Frustrated]

6 hours ago, Kothili said:

Makes us two. Out of a whole bunch of people. Officially @Frustrated and me per Ashes poll above.

I knew it would be a drawn series, like the last ashes held in Eng (in 2019).  Even the scoreline is the same this time (2-2).   These two sides are quite evenly matched in english conditions.  In Aus, it's a different ball game altogether, where Eng usually play like minnows.  

[Frustrated]

The only thing that surprised me a bit is that Eng did not have to rely much on express pacers like M Wood.   Trundler Chris Woakes did the job for them on most occassions. (3rd test onwards when he was included in playing11).   It goes to show that even a trundler who is consistent and accurate with his release points can win u games in Eng.  Woakes did not play the first 2 games, otherwise the result could hv been a little different.  

[Suhaan]

49 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

The only thing that surprised me a bit is that Eng did not have to rely much on express pacers like M Wood.   Trundler Chris Woakes did the job for them on most occassions. (3rd test onwards when he was included in playing11).   It goes to show that even a trundler who is consistent and accurate with his release points can win u games in Eng.  Woakes did not play the first 2 games, otherwise the result could hv been a little different.  

Woakes has height plus truly even the trundlers aka here line length/control bowlers have to bowl in line and length to be effective

Our trundlers like Unadcutter,Thakur bowl both sides of the wicket but they get away for being "beautiful to eyes bowling"

Mukesha is another average mediocre trundler with no bounce but pseudo swing

Edited August 1, 2023 by Suhaan

[MechEng]

Woakes will get hammered when he will have to bowl with the kookaburra and on hard wickets.

[Lone Wolf]

BazBall will be pretty successful on rank turners...  India are looking at a fight as far as batting goes.   Their spin options is what gives India advantage. 

 

[MechEng]

27 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

BazBall will be pretty successful on rank turners...  India are looking at a fight as far as batting goes.   Their spin options is what gives India advantage. 

 

 

Cannot be certain of that. That sort of batting worked in Pakistan because there was barely any turn there. You cannot hit a turning ball across the line all the time.

 

Yes, if England are able to cream fours after hitting the ball with the turn, that won't be bazball but extremely high skill of batting.

Edited August 1, 2023 by MechEng

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, MechEng said:

 

Cannot be certain of that. That sort of batting worked in Pakistan because there was barely any turn there. You cannot hit a turning ball across the line all the time.

 

Yes, if England are able to cream fours after hitting the ball with the turn, that won't be bazball but extremely high skill of batting.

On rank Turners sheer defence never works no matter how much tighter technique you have. 

Aggressive cricket yields results.  Eng only need 250-300 runs to make a game out of it. 

[Lone Wolf]

https://twitter.com/Fancricket12/status/1686101568494383104?t=-06RV9dgmNI-vMVnQy6sGw&s=19

https://twitter.com/Fancricket12/status/1686101568494383104?t=-06RV9dgmNI-vMVnQy6sGw&s=19

This is how BazBall will definately pose a touch challenge in India 

[wazza]

3 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Woakes has height plus truly even the trundlers aka here line length/control bowlers have to bowl in line and length to be effective

Our trundlers like Unadcutter,Thakur bowl both sides of the wicket but they get away for being "beautiful to eyes bowling"

Mukesha is another average mediocre trundler with no bounce but pseudo swing

Undacutta is 6.2 

Woakes is 6.05

184 cm 

Unda is 189 cm

Mookesh is short. 5'8

 

What's undas excuse? 

[wazza]

31 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

https://twitter.com/Fancricket12/status/1686101568494383104?t=-06RV9dgmNI-vMVnQy6sGw&s=19

https://twitter.com/Fancricket12/status/1686101568494383104?t=-06RV9dgmNI-vMVnQy6sGw&s=19

This is how BazBall will definately pose a touch challenge in India 

We dont need turners to beat them in Asia. 

Just normal pitches with some spin and bounce would suffice. 

We can Rip them apart provided we make correct selections.

[nevada]

4 hours ago, Frustrated said:

I knew it would be a drawn series, like the last ashes held in Eng (in 2019).  Even the scoreline is the same this time (2-2).   These two sides are quite evenly matched in english conditions.  In Aus, it's a different ball game altogether, where Eng usually play like minnows.  

I thought England would win 3-1. Didn't think their batsmen would implode repeatedly to surrender the advantage to the opposition. 

[Lone Wolf]

1 hour ago, nevada said:

I thought England would win 3-1. Didn't think their batsmen would implode repeatedly to surrender the advantage to the opposition. 

Manchester washout really costed England...  Australia should be happy to walk away with 2-2 (retaining Ashes) + WTC final. 

[sage]

 

 

[MechEng]

3 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

On rank Turners sheer defence never works no matter how much tighter technique you have. 

Aggressive cricket yields results.  Eng only need 250-300 runs to make a game out of it. 

 

Aggressive cricket is not higher in priority over technique, making 250 on rank turners at 5 runs per over is peak Sehwag/Lara stuff.

 

If aggression is everything then Suresh Raina at his prime can smash Andy Roberts all over the park.

[Austin 3:!6]

Great series

[Gollum]

Real test for Bazball in 6 months time