Indian spinners should try to play in county

[zen]

In general, the post-1990 Indian spinners tend to be the poster boys for "Tigers at home, mice abroad". 

 

They need to try to play county esp. the likes of Axar, Kuldeep, Sundar, etc. to develop or add new dimensions to their game or adjust to bowling in different types of conditions. 

 

Appears as if counties are not too interested in these spinners (in the past, have heard of Pakistani spinners playing in the county. Even Shastri used to play in the county if I am not wrong, but maybe as an AR) or the spinners can't seem to find the time. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited June 13, 2023 by zen

[LordPrabhzy]

5 hours ago, zen said:

In general, the post-1990 Indian spinners tend to be the poster boys for "Tigers at home, mice abroad". 

 

They need to try to play county esp. the likes of Axar, Kuldeep, Sundar, etc. to develop or add new dimensions to their game or adjust to bowling in different types of conditions. 

 

Appears as if counties are not too interested in these spinners (in the past, have heard of Pakistani spinners playing in the county. Even Shastri used to play in the county if I am not wrong, but maybe as an AR) or the spinners can't seem to find the time. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Why would any team india contracted spinner prefer to play in  April England county when they can earn 3 times the amount playing 4 over per match 

[LordPrabhzy]

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/shastri-you-ve-got-to-miss-ipl-to-have-20-days-of-prep-for-wtc-final-1381199

 

Again indian experts and commies talking out of their backside- BCCI only makes money when Franchise field indian players. So why would BCCI allow Indian players to miss the only T20 league they can feature in.

 

Again fans need to realise that red ball cricket is NOT BCCI's priority, its only the IPL and economic model around it. they might pretend to make ' noises' to say oh we need to improve things in Tests, but its just to keep imbecilic fans quiet for a few months

[zen]

2 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

Why would any team india contracted spinner prefer to play in  April England county when they can earn 3 times the amount playing 4 over per match 

Because as cricketers, they would want to improve themselves (everything is not about money and  they do not need to play just in April). 

Edited June 13, 2023 by zen

[zen]

2 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/shastri-you-ve-got-to-miss-ipl-to-have-20-days-of-prep-for-wtc-final-1381199

 

Again indian experts and commies talking out of their backside- BCCI only makes money when Franchise field indian players. So why would BCCI allow Indian players to miss the only T20 league they can feature in.

 

Again fans need to realise that red ball cricket is NOT BCCI's priority, its only the IPL and economic model around it. they might pretend to make ' noises' to say oh we need to improve things in Tests, but its just to keep imbecilic fans quiet for a few months

BCCI does not stop players to play in the county (not talking about T20s). 
 

Pujara, Arshdeep, Saini, etc. participate in county cricket (or whatever it is called). 
 

PS I noticed that you started this thread on Arshdeep - Link … Spinners need to take similar initiatives if they can get such opportunities.

Edited June 13, 2023 by zen

[LordPrabhzy]

51 minutes ago, zen said:

Because as cricketers, they would want to improve themselves (everything is not about money and  they do not need to play just in April). 

Lol I know because this is what I have been saying- BCCI should compensate first team players for missing IPL and playing domestic tournaments in other countries like Au, SA and Eng to adapt to different conditions. BUT for them the prioirity is TV rights revenue which only comes if Indian players play in IPL or meaningless bilaterals. So there is no time for players to try to improve themselves.

 

45 minutes ago, zen said:

BCCI does not stop players to play in the county (not talking about T20s). 
 

Pujara, Arshdeep, Saini, etc. participate in county cricket (or whatever it is called). 
 

PS I noticed that you started this thread on Arshdeep - Link … Spinners need to take similar initiatives if they can get such opportunities.

 

It does not 'stop' them but it creates a situation with IPL and long international schedule with meaningless bilateral, its impossible for players to find the time to think about playing in other countries and rather use that time to go on Maldives vacations. Although I am glad Arshdeep is playing in Eng, I would have preferred if he played in the T20 Blast or Hundred as thats the format he is a specialist in

[zen]

10 minutes ago, LordPrabhzy said:

Lol I know because this is what I have been saying- BCCI should compensate first team players for missing IPL and playing domestic tournaments in other countries like Au, SA and Eng to adapt to different conditions. BUT for them the prioirity is TV rights revenue which only comes if Indian players play in IPL or meaningless bilaterals. So there is no time for players to try to improve themselves.

 

 

It does not 'stop' them but it creates a situation with IPL and long international schedule with meaningless bilateral, its impossible for players to find the time to think about playing in other countries and rather use that time to go on Maldives vacations. Although I am glad Arshdeep is playing in Eng, I would have preferred if he played in the T20 Blast or Hundred as thats the format he is a specialist in

I don’t think it is appropriate to blame BCCI and IPL for county. There are players who find time. 
 

I don’t even mind if players put money first (it is their career) or go on vacations (it is their life). If some players prefer to play only IPL, where they can make more money and also remain fresh by playing relatively less cricket than they would if they played for Ind, they should be allowed. 

 

Many chose careers because they like sports (they are not soilders who have signed up to kill or die for their country). 
 

My point is that if a spinner, who can generally be lack lustre overseas, if possible should try to explore avenues and take initiatives to improve his games. There are many spinners who can find that time. 

 

 

[vvvslaxman]

3 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

Why would any team india contracted spinner prefer to play in  April England county when they can earn 3 times the amount playing 4 over per match 

 

One guy who has played whenever he got time was Ashwin 10 games 61 wickets 553 runs. In 2021 he took a 6fer at the very Oval ground

 

 

At the very Oval ground we lostt he took 6 for 27  and bundled opposition out for 69 runs

 

 

[Vijy]

would rather see jaddu do this than ashwin. IIRC ashwin did do it already

[zen]

32 minutes ago, Vijy said:

would rather see jaddu do this than ashwin. IIRC ashwin did do it already

Ashwin is almost a gone case, having been playing tests since 2011 and now with probably a few months left in his test career.
 

He career has never taken off in SENA, which is like the place for test cricket. 

[vvvslaxman]

32 minutes ago, Vijy said:

would rather see jaddu do this than ashwin. IIRC ashwin did do it already

 

First of all motivation has to come from players. Ashwin/Arshdeep played for first division. Pujara sneakily chose second division and bullied the poor teams and came back into the side. An international player like Ashwin doesn't really have to play in TNPL. He  is playing now.  Guys like Gill pretty sure may not play first class or any other games going forward. They will become pri madonnas like Kohli, Rohit. Not many players have this quest for constant improvement.

[Vickydev]

Didn't Axar do it sometime back? Ended up performing more as a batsman iirc

[BacktoCricaddict]

SENA bats must practice FC batting on supposedly doctored spin pitches so they can stop whining about it when they hop around trying to find the turning ball.

[vvvslaxman]

1 minute ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

SENA bats must practice FC batting on supposedly doctored spin pitches so they can stop whining about it when they hop around trying to find the turning ball.

 

Yup we have white skin obsessed fans who worship them and their countries.

[zen]

32 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

SENA bats must practice FC batting on supposedly doctored spin pitches so they can stop whining about it when they hop around trying to find the turning ball.

They don’t necessarily need to as top teams only play 3-5 tests every 3-5 years in places like India, which is probably more like a revenue stream and adventure for them.  
 

A lot of good cricket is played among SENA teams (and with their own sets of rivalries) … while not many follow cricket among Asian teams except Ind v Pak which does not exist anymore apart from in ICC events (and their too could be losing steam).  

India would not need to worry about SENA conditions if it played 3-5 tests every 3-5 years outside of India (similar to teams like BD). Unfortunately, it plays 50% of its tests away (with main teams in SENA not in Asia). Therefore, the tools (mainly unnecessary) it uses in India are not applicable elsewhere (there may be a series here and there every few years that may be competitive. More often than not the team struggles in SENA). 
 

 

Edited June 13, 2023 by zen

[rkt.india]

7 hours ago, LordPrabhzy said:

 

Why would any team india contracted spinner prefer to play in  April England county when they can earn 3 times the amount playing 4 over per match 

IPL ends by mid May. there is still three months of county cricket left there. 

[Vijy]

2 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

First of all motivation has to come from players. Ashwin/Arshdeep played for first division. Pujara sneakily chose second division and bullied the poor teams and came back into the side. An international player like Ashwin doesn't really have to play in TNPL. He  is playing now.  Guys like Gill pretty sure may not play first class or any other games going forward. They will become pri madonnas like Kohli, Rohit. Not many players have this quest for constant improvement.

I do expect Gill to become a prima donna if he shows the same tendency to not improve; just flashing at balls outside off stump

[BacktoCricaddict]

3 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

 

First of all motivation has to come from players. Ashwin/Arshdeep played for first division. Pujara sneakily chose second division and bullied the poor teams and came back into the side. An international player like Ashwin doesn't really have to play in TNPL. He  is playing now.  Guys like Gill pretty sure may not play first class or any other games going forward. They will become pri madonnas like Kohli, Rohit. Not many players have this quest for constant improvement.

This is where I admire Rahane.  He was dropped (and rightfully so).  He went back to domestics and scored well, earning his comeback because of those runs. One may question his overall value to the team right now, but no one can question his approach and dedication. If I had to have one of the the "oldies" in the team, it would be him. him.  Kohli may have benefited too, if he had taken a bit of a break from the national team and corrected his flaws in domestics/county. With his high fitness levels, he could have made decent contributions to the test team for a long time. Instead, he is still looking for the 6-th off-stump cover drive boundary in the name of aggression.

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

This is where I admire Rahane.  He was dropped (and rightfully so).  He went back to domestics and scored well, earning his comeback because of those runs. One may question his overall value to the team right now, but no one can question his approach and dedication. If I had to have one of the the "oldies" in the team, it would be him. him.  Kohli may have benefited too, if he had taken a bit of a break from the national team and corrected his flaws in domestics/county. With his high fitness levels, he could have made decent contributions to the test team for a long time. Instead, he is still looking for the 6-th off-stump cover drive boundary in the name of aggression.

a lot of rahane's runs were vs weak teams, but certainly his attitude can be appreciated. IIRC, pujara also plays regularly in domestics and county stints. Brat is the one who will opt for neither county nor Ind domestics

[BacktoCricaddict]

40 minutes ago, Vijy said:

a lot of rahane's runs were vs weak teams, but certainly his attitude can be appreciated. IIRC, pujara also plays regularly in domestics and county stints. Brat is the one who will opt for neither county nor Ind domestics

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