Iyer vs Sky vs Kisan - Who'd you pick?

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

SKY's ceiling is higher than anyone else in this lineup to get us well above par like yesterday but his floor is also lower than anybody else's. You expect SKY to come in and rebuild at 5 on  a spinning deck? No chance of that happening.

 

Might as well have picked Samson then.  If SKY is picked , he HAS to bat at 6 or 7 and absolutely blast us well above par. Therein lies his value.

 

Come dew, artificial lights, hell or high water, we will be safe. Or he can give impetus to a steep chase.

 

But this useless lot will probably rotate Iyer out and play SKY at 5, Pandya at 6, Jadeja at 7. And because the batting has no solidity after 4, they'll play Thakur at 8 for 5 extra runs and we'll neither get above par nor will we able to defend if dew comes in when Thakur struggles to grip his cutters and slower balls. 

 

Absolutely infuriating that we are going to have to put up with this. 

 

 

 

Couldn't have said better. Yes. His low can be super low.

[cricketfan28]

Iyer, he can adapt better.

[sandeep]

16 hours ago, vvvslaxman said:

One missing element is spinng all rounder who score at a high strike rate.

We have a great solution in Washington Sundar.  Just needs to play 20-30 ODIs to get there.

 

His batting potential is Steve Smith level - he's lefty.  He can anchor our middle order in whiteball for a decade and can bowl at least 5+ overs, more on a good day.

 

Idiotic injury issues, and bad planning.  He should have played 25 ODIs already to be ready for this WC.

[vvvslaxman]

1 hour ago, sandeep said:

We have a great solution in Washington Sundar.  Just needs to play 20-30 ODIs to get there.

 

His batting potential is Steve Smith level - he's lefty.  He can anchor our middle order in whiteball for a decade and can bowl at least 5+ overs, more on a good day.

 

Idiotic injury issues, and bad planning.  He should have played 25 ODIs already to be ready for this WC.

 

With surprise Ashwin's entry this has become even harder. 

[StraightDrive26]

This will be the XI mostly to start the tournament at least:

 

Rohit

Gill

Virat

Iyer

Rahul

Ishan

Pandya

Jadeja

Kuldeep

Bumrah

Siraj

 

This will be the starting XI at Chennai against Australia in game 1 in all probability unless someone picks up a niggle. Ishan will play ahead of Surya just for that break needed with the slew of right handers in top 5. So Iyer will be the first choice. Since Rahul will keep wickets mostly, he will not bat higher than 5 in the batting order. In chennai at least we will have 2 pacers + Hardik with two spinners. If the wicket is extremely dry then Ishan can be dropped to include Axar/Ashwin based on who is picked in the squad as the third spinner. 

Edited September 27, 2023 by StraightDrive26

[Majestic]

On 9/26/2023 at 5:06 PM, sandeep said:

We have a great solution in Washington Sundar.  Just needs to play 20-30 ODIs to get there.

 

His batting potential is Steve Smith level - he's lefty.  He can anchor our middle order in whiteball for a decade and can bowl at least 5+ overs, more on a good day.

 

Idiotic injury issues, and bad planning.  He should have played 25 ODIs already to be ready for this WC.

Yeah, just like KL Rahul batting potential is Virat Kohli 

 

2-3 years down the line, Washy will get the same hate here as KL got.

[cowboysfan]

12 hours ago, StraightDrive26 said:

This will be the XI mostly to start the tournament at least:

 

Rohit

Gill

Virat

Iyer

Rahul

Ishan

Pandya

Jadeja

Kuldeep

Bumrah

Siraj

 

This will be the starting XI at Chennai against Australia in game 1 in all probability unless someone picks up a niggle. Ishan will play ahead of Surya just for that break needed with the slew of right handers in top 5. So Iyer will be the first choice. Since Rahul will keep wickets mostly, he will not bat higher than 5 in the batting order. In chennai at least we will have 2 pacers + Hardik with two spinners. If the wicket is extremely dry then Ishan can be dropped to include Axar/Ashwin based on who is picked in the squad as the third spinner. 

 

only 2 spinners for Chennai? i can almost guantee we will play 6 bowlers with 3 spinners,no Ishan,

[Adamant]

On 9/26/2023 at 5:06 PM, sandeep said:

His batting potential is Steve Smith level - he's lefty.  He can anchor our middle order in whiteball for a decade and can bowl at least 5+ overs, more on a good day.

[Adamant]

Iyer anyday in Indian conditions, that guy is our best player against spin and in India I dont think even pacers will trouble him much.

[cricspirit]

On 9/26/2023 at 7:36 AM, sandeep said:

We have a great solution in Washington Sundar.  Just needs to play 20-30 ODIs to get there.

 

His batting potential is Steve Smith level - he's lefty.  He can anchor our middle order in whiteball for a decade and can bowl at least 5+ overs, more on a good day.

 

Idiotic injury issues, and bad planning.  He should have played 25 ODIs already to be ready for this WC.

 

This is a bit too much. 

 

How do you reach a conclusion of Sundar having potential of GOAT Test batter of modern era - Steve Smith ??

 

Let him reach some middle level first and then this would sound better. Comparing to Steve smith for some nice innings at the beginning of his career is rich. 

 

Lot of people are going to be disappointed with the expectations they have from Sundar. 

[Vijy]

On 9/26/2023 at 7:36 AM, sandeep said:

We have a great solution in Washington Sundar.  Just needs to play 20-30 ODIs to get there.

 

His batting potential is Steve Smith level - he's lefty.  He can anchor our middle order in whiteball for a decade and can bowl at least 5+ overs, more on a good day.

 

Idiotic injury issues, and bad planning.  He should have played 25 ODIs already to be ready for this WC.

no, he's not smith level. smith is a GOAT test batter, and a surprisingly clutch ODI bat too. I know that there are some similarities in the sense that both were marketed as bowling ARs, while actually being batters.

 

however, if you look at stewie in the domestics, he was setting them alight as a batter even before debut. stewie is a different beast altogether

[Vijy]

1 hour ago, Adamant said:

Iyer anyday in Indian conditions, that guy is our best player against spin and in India I dont think even pacers will trouble him much.

yes, let's hope his back holds up

[Majestic]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

Iyer anyday in Indian conditions, that guy is our best player against spin and in India I dont think even pacers will trouble him much.

 

1 hour ago, Vijy said:

yes, let's hope his back holds up

His problem is he is one dimensional. That's why not very often he would be able to score big. 

 

And you have Kohli and Rahul above and below him who are also one dimensional vs quality all round attacks.

[nitinbwj]

4 hours ago, Adamant said:

Iyer anyday in Indian conditions, that guy is our best player against spin and in India I dont think even pacers will trouble him much.

Was fooled by Maxwell. Wasn't that great a ball. Also, couldn't dominate spin. It was surprising to say the least. Should have counterattacked just like he did the previous game. Totally dismantled Aussies. Yesterday  he played like KL, meek and darpok.  Why oh why.. We already have KL to do that ****. 

[sandeep]

14 hours ago, Vijy said:

no, he's not smith level. smith is a GOAT test batter, and a surprisingly clutch ODI bat too. I know that there are some similarities in the sense that both were marketed as bowling ARs, while actually being batters.

 

however, if you look at stewie in the domestics, he was setting them alight as a batter even before debut. stewie is a different beast altogether

Smith wasn't "GOAT" level when he started his career - he was tapped to be the next "warnie".  He evolved into a top order bat over the years.  

 

I believe Sundar has a very sound batting technique, one that can allow him to average 50+ in test cricket.  Of course Smith is a freak, but we are talking potential here.  Not saying I'm guaranteeing it - nobody can.  

[ravishingravi]

I really am struggling to understand what others see in Iyer that I don't. He is good against spinners but otherwise he is flat footed and suspect against short bowling. 

 

I really don't get his selection. Of course he is in because of Gill. But still. For no 4, his shot was awful. 

[Lord]

SKY has to come in for him with Rahul at 4. 

[cowboysfan]

lets be honest  here,SKY on this pitch would not have turned out well but there is no denying that horrible shot Iyer played.This was the day he could have played himself in and scored some runs.

[Majestic]

There is no point changing preferences based on every match.

 

Iyer is a better bet than SKY unless we are discussing 6 and 7. Iyer has performed in past and over last 4 years has maintained good numbers at the level of Rohit, Kohli, Gill and Rahul so deserves to be persisted. His temperament is better than what he has shown since his return from injury.

[Lord]

1 minute ago, Majestic said:

There is no point changing preferences based on every match.

 

Iyer is a better bet than SKY unless we are discussing 6 and 7. Iyer has performed in past and over last 4 years has maintained good numbers at the level of Rohit, Kohli, Gill and Rahul so deserves to be persisted. His temperament is better than what he has shown since his return from injury.

 

Where has he shown this much hyped 'temperament'?