vice Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 (edited) This is like CT2017. teams were chasing well in the group stages. IIRC, Ind lost to SL just prior to finals batting first and that likely influenced their decision to bowl first in the final. One thing to factor in is the pressure of chasing in Ind-Pak games. There are a lot of variables i.e pitch, conditions, team strengths but Pakistan have been poor chasers in pressure situations against India. If you bat first and score 350+ then chasing 350 is mammoth even if you factor in pressure with dew. Pitches play slower in the first innings like other venues so your spinners come in a bit and batting is on average more difficult than 2nd innnings. In second innings, the new ball phase probably becomes crucial, if you don't lose wickets, and dew settling in after 20 overs, you're still in the game with spinners becoming less effective. The pitches have played better in the second innings so far in most of the matches. Even in first game Eng vs NZ, pitch became easier to bat on in 2nd innings Batting first: -Pitch could be slower, -spinners in play more, ball may grip more for all bowlers. Batting Second - Factor in pressure of chasing..if chasing 350 range, you're on the backfoot - New ball phase becomes the deciding factor, early loss of wickets and on the backfoot. Under lights, there's often some movement for pacers - High probability of dew after 20 overs, spinners less effectve. Ball was changed after 30 overs in first game - Overall pitch plays better in 2nd innings. It comes down to. Pressure of chasing (if high score) vs Dew (or just the pitch playing better in 2nd innings). Choose your fight Edited October 13 by vice Link to comment
Lord Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 Always bat first in a pressure game. cowboysfan and Laaloo 2 Link to comment
mikeypbadana86 Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 It's better to chase. India can chase 300-320 comfortably . Not every match is 2017 CT final against pak , for heavens sake in India , the ball doesn't swing/seam the way it happens in England. India should have muscle memory/mental fall back in chasing prior to the knock outs. We may encounter NZ/SA in knock outs and may loose the toss and be asked to chase. Why not chase in a high pressure game now and be prepared for the knock outs? Link to comment
Lord Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 15 minutes ago, mikeypbadana86 said: It's better to chase. India can chase 300-320 comfortably . Not every match is 2017 CT final against pak , for heavens sake in India , the ball doesn't swing/seam the way it happens in England. India should have muscle memory/mental fall back in chasing prior to the knock outs. We may encounter NZ/SA in knock outs and may loose the toss and be asked to chase. Why not chase in a high pressure game now and be prepared for the knock outs? We have already chased in 2 games Link to comment
R!TTER Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 1 hour ago, AuxiliA said: Are Bhai 337 was never chaseable in a high pressure final. Should have batted first after winning the toss. It was a sunny morning with a flat pitch and Pak themselves were very poor chasers. Yes as the old man Don said - you bat first 9/10 times after winning the toss, the 10th time you think a bit & still bat first - or some thing like that Link to comment
R!TTER Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 Just now, Lord said: We have already chased in 2 games How many successful chases do you remember over 300 in WC games? And why do you think that is? Link to comment
Lord Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 1 minute ago, R!TTER said: How many successful chases do you remember over 300 in WC games? And why do you think that is? Because nobody chases 300 in big games. Link to comment
Laaloo Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 1 hour ago, Lord said: Always bat first in a pressure game. Only chase if D/L is involved. Lord 1 Link to comment
Lord Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 6 minutes ago, Laaloo said: Only chase if D/L is involved. or if huge evidence of dew. Laaloo 1 Link to comment
Lala_is_back Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 We prefer Hyderabad. Hyderabad provides a good sporting pitch. Moreover, We have a very good ground support at Hyderabad than India. Link to comment
rangeelaraja Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 17 minutes ago, Lala_is_back said: We prefer Hyderabad. Hyderabad provides a good sporting pitch. Moreover, We have a very good ground support at Hyderabad than India. The first time we loved playing in Dhaka, we created Bangladesh for ourselves. For the first time now, we love playing in Quetta Balochistan. Link to comment
Number Posted October 13 Author Share Posted October 13 16 minutes ago, vice said: Black soil pitch according to CI Pretty much a run feast then. Link to comment
the don Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 Pakistan will bowl first. Babar already said so. Link to comment
Lord Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 51 minutes ago, Number said: Pretty much a run feast then. Black soil helps spin. Red soil is patta with true bounce Link to comment
R!TTER Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 4 minutes ago, Lord said: Red soil is patta with true bounce Red soil spins more, bounces more & generally has more(?) pace. Link to comment
Mariyam Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 16 minutes ago, the don said: Pakistan will bowl first. Babar already said so. Toss ho Gaya? rangeelaraja 1 Link to comment
the don Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 3 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Toss ho Gaya? Kal hai match? Babar nay pehlay keh dia hai toss jo marzi jeetay batting humne kerni hai. Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 2 hours ago, Lord said: We have already chased in 2 games And won comfortably. Chasing is the way to go. Link to comment
mikeypbadana86 Posted October 13 Share Posted October 13 (edited) 3 hours ago, Lord said: We have already chased in 2 games subpar score against aus and Afghanistan is not qualifying to knock outs. Better to test waters in league match against pak, chasing Edited October 13 by mikeypbadana86 Link to comment
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