There is no excuse for KL & RAT going 20 overs without scoring a boundary after being 80/2 after 10

[straighttalk]

At the end of the day head took on our bowling and got away with it..he could have easily gone out and India might have won . What have Head the confidence..is their batting up to 9 and the low total..India does not have the cushion..they chose safety first...because kohli getting out around 100 might result in India not even reaching 200.

So the problem is to find batting depth and multi faceted players..we are losing matches in knockout s due to this very reason...in India we win tests because of three spin bowling all rounders...

 

Question is why is this problem not haunting us in league games..cos of top order brilliance...however three early wickets would screw us as seen in multiple games..even though middle order can survive..we cannot take risks

Edited November 20, 2023 by straighttalk

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

KL will always struggle to accelerate at 5 when put under pressure. He does not have the game plus players to follow - SKY is a lappebaz followed by 5 bowlers who don't know how to bat.

[Cricketics]

There were about 7 overs left in the semi final game against NZ when we had lost a wicket in the 43rd over I think and we chose to send Rahul as finisher when Surya was the finisher based on his t20 exploites for which he got picked. That to me sent wrong signal, and also was unfair to t20 specialist Surya too.. Yes, I wouldn’t pick Surya in my next 50 over game or anytime in the future but one must mention that management did not handle him correctly. He shouldn’t have been picked in the first place when you are not even using him as a finisher. What is he doing at number 6 then when you can’t send him when 7 overs were remaining in a Semi final? 

[rollingstoned]

5 hours ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

In India matches starting at 10am and finishing at 5pm need to be scheduled to take dew out of the equation.

In winters, which is pretty much our cricket season, it is an advantage to bowl first if the match begins at 10am. Back in the day it used to begin at 9am so you could get play by 4:30 which is sunset time in many parts of N india. It may still be less of an advantage than dew is though.

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

2 minutes ago, Cricketics said:

There were about 7 overs left in the semi final game against NZ when we had lost a wicket in the 43rd over I think and we chose to send Rahul as finisher when Surya was the finisher based on his t20 exploites for which he got picked. That to me sent wrong signal, and also was unfair to t20 specialist Surya too.. Yes, I wouldn’t pick Surya in my next 50 over game or anytime in the future but one must mention that management did not handle him correctly. He shouldn’t have been picked in the first place when you are not even using him as a finisher. What is he doing at number 6 then when you can’t send him when 7 overs were remaining in a Semi final? 

Sky should have never been there. It should have been Ishan Kishan just purely on the fact that he is left handed.

 

Pandya plus Shardul was the right approach which could not have happened once Pandya got injured

[R!TTER]

4 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

Back in the day it used to begin at 9am so you could get play by 4:30 which is sunset time in many parts of N india.

And in those games the early moisture wrecked us many times against Oz - Brad Williams & co in 2003, Bollinger/Johnson/Starc all have done a wrecking ball to our top order in day games! Our only chance to win this was (a) Bowlers bowling out Oz to a well below par score (b) fat arse cap staying till the 40th over so that we score well over 300 first up!

[Lord]

In the end they played meekly like sissies under pressure and thats why they lost so easily.

[Lord]

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Edited November 20, 2023 by Lord

[Lord]

In the end they played meekly like sissies under pressure and thats why they lost so easily.

[Ultimate_Game]

8 minutes ago, rollingstoned said:

In winters, which is pretty much our cricket season, it is an advantage to bowl first if the match begins at 10am. Back in the day it used to begin at 9am so you could get play by 4:30 which is sunset time in many parts of N india. It may still be less of an advantage than dew is though.

 

At least you only need to be careful for the first few overs and then bat. And still chasing team bats later, they'll play on the pitch that should slow down a bit or take spin so it evens out. But with dew, the team batting 2nd gets way too much advantage.

[Lord]

7 hours ago, SRT100 said:

 

Madness of Indian Cricket right here.

 

Can someone explain then why SKY and Jaddu were not promoted in the group games once India secured finals qualification? Why were they not promoted in the batting order during meaningless irrelevant useless bilateral games?

 

The Captain and Team Management are so uneducated about the game of cricket.

 

Playing the same XI and same batting order in Ned game reeked of arrogance. Nothing else.

[SRT100]

3 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Playing the same XI and same batting order in Ned game reeked of arrogance. Nothing else.

No.

 

The time to trial and experiment is in meaningless irrelevant bilateral series. Once the team qualified for finals they should have rotated players to prepare them for finals.

 

Our players looked so tired and exhausted.

 

It was pathetic team management.

[vvvslaxman]

16 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Firstly blame goes to the rubbish pitch.

 

Secondly, KL. Was absolutely pathetic today. Struggled against Cummins and put pressure on Kohli as well.

 

Look at the bowling figures of their part timers. Abysmal

[sage]

On 11/20/2023 at 8:12 AM, SRT100 said:

No.

 

The time to trial and experiment is in meaningless irrelevant bilateral series. Once the team qualified for finals they should have rotated players to prepare them for finals.

 

Our players looked so tired and exhausted.

 

It was pathetic team management.

The team is fine it is all mental they literally did not try to score they were all too afraid after Rohit

[cricspirit]

Now that some time has passed,  I  am reading these threads again.

 

3 prime reasons from Indian side.

 

1. ROHIT restless batting at the crease as if he wanted to get out. He gave facial expressions,  body language and cricket shots helped Aussie plans.

 

2. Virat and KL got too defensive while the bowling was not threatening .. they did not look for scoring chances and looked to bat overs. Gradually consumed lot of overs and played to Aussie plans again.

 

3. At 50/3 , Rohit went crazy and all defensive. Messed up bowling rotation and field placements. Showed losing body language even when there was 100 left. Heads wicket was all that was needed.

 

3 reasons from Aussies side

 

1. Great Great fielding. Stopped over 30 runs and frustrated Indian batters. We may have got more boundaries and flow in our innings to get 280 or even 300.

 

2. Great captaincy and execution of plans both for the pitch and players. You might just say the biggest difference were the two cptains. Cummins has been very determined since that innings where he defended and stayed at the wicket while Maxwell truly got Aussies into killer form semi door.

 

3. Head played  a fantastic innings. Aussies have this habit where someone stands up in a big final to play that special hand. Head could have been out on many balls but once he survived that period he dug in along with labu. They were not restless. They were in no rush. They played exceptionally under pressure.

 

 

In a final I believe you always need some special contributions from one or two players. None did for us this time.  

 

Finally stupid pitch doctoring interference that started in semis got us in the final. Our planners did not help our cause. Should have let the fresh pitch on and see who wins. Even if Aussies won, it will be down to cricket and players. Now these admins and organizers also included in screw up.

 

 

 

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

The excuse is cornerstone - their comming agency 

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

Shetty's mein aajkal ka popular gaana - woh to hai chota kela, hazaron mein akela 

[NameGoesHere]

I’d like to put the spotlight on something else - ourselves here on ICF.

 

Agreed that we’re ‘only’ fans and these players make the bug bucks.

 

Still, how many of us during the final were also worried about more wickets falling, when Gill and Rohit got out?

 

How many of us were worried enough to want Kohli and Rahul to go slow? 

 

How many of us were perfectly fine with the scoring rate until the point Kohli got out?

 

How many were fine with for a time after that as well?

 

My point is that it’s easy to analyse these things in hindsight and blame Rahul/ KL/ Kohli/ SKY.  But as far as I  could see most of us weren’t that savvy in that moment either.

 

We had an off day, we got beaten by a superior team.  That’s all. 

 

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

17 minutes ago, NameGoesHere said:

I’d like to put the spotlight on something else - ourselves here on ICF.

 

Agreed that we’re ‘only’ fans and these players make the bug bucks.

 

Still, how many of us during the final were also worried about more wickets falling, when Gill and Rohit got out?

 

How many of us were worried enough to want Kohli and Rahul to go slow? 

 

How many of us were perfectly fine with the scoring rate until the point Kohli got out?

 

How many were fine with for a time after that as well?

 

My point is that it’s easy to analyse these things in hindsight and blame Rahul/ KL/ Kohli/ SKY.  But as far as I  could see most of us weren’t that savvy in that moment either.

 

We had an off day, we got beaten by a superior team.  That’s all. 

 

The pressure of batting after 3 down was there for the entire tournament. Why wasn't it corrected earlier by giving chances to the middle and lower order??

 

The final may be one lost game but what one does in the tournament either strengthens or weakens ones approach in the final.

 

India were a batsmen and bowler short throughout the tournament. Two batsmen scoring 250 runs in the tournament is much better than one batsman scoring 500+ runs

[Khota]

But he has 50 ODI centuries.