Australia! The 2023 World Cup Champions!!

[deathmonger]

I'm not saying Aus can't win but we are massive favourites with the team we have plus the conditions that will be there at Ahmedabad.

 

Aussies have struggled even against teams like SL, Pak, Afg, Eng etc who we have defeated comfortably. Even against us, we won rather comfortably even though we were 2-3. And two of those wickets were gifts. Even this semi they were struggling even with toss and conditions luck getting perfect seam bowling conditions first up.

 

If it's a slow turner I expect us to win handsomely. Wankhede was the nightmare matchup for us cause our spinners can get tonked (And they did yesterday) but we made it through.

 

Not saying it's a guaranteed win or anything but almost everything is in our favour. Aussies will have to play out of their skin to defeat us. And if they do, congrats.

 

 

[rangeelaraja]

4 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

Absolutely not lol.

 

Ind was getting mauled in the tri series before as well as in the WC.

 

And it was not at all the same core - only Raina, Kohli, Ashwin and Dhoni were common. And Kohli and Ashwin in 2011 were not even part of the main core.

 

No Sachin, Gambhir, Sehwag, Yuvraj, Zaheer, Harbhajan etc.

 

Aus had a massive upgrade with Warner, Finch, Smith, Starc, Hazlewood etc.

 

Add in the conditions and there was no way India was gonna win.

 

 

Sorry you don't make any sense. How do you certify Aus change as " massive" upgrade while ours as not ?

 

We had Dhawan who was the highest run scorer in 2013 champions trophy that we won.

 

Kohli at his peak, Ashwin, Jaddu,  Rohit.   So these are "downgrades" ?

 

It was a shitshow that we typically put on in knockouts, batting second on flat wickets, conceeding big score and then wilting under scoreboard pressure.

Just like in 2017 championship finals against Pakistan.

 

 

 

[deathmonger]

People look at history and try to make patterns but that is more of a superstitious thing than real logic.

 

Aus 99-07 were prolly the GOAT team so they would have won in 03 anyway. 15 good team in home conditions. 11 and 19 they were beaten by the home teams in favourable conditions.

 

Ascribing Australian win due to their past records is like saying "Pakistan always has good fast bowlers. Indians can't bowl fast" due to past history although recent records suggest otherwise.

 

[Jamadagni]

23 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

Lol at the fear.

 

The Aussie teams which defeated Ind in 2003 and 2015 were the favourites and were way stronger than India and won the cup.

 

2011 they were weaker and we won, in Ahmadabad itself.

 

This same Aussie team was smashed in the 2019 semi.

 

Patterns are patterns, nothing more. Their dominance was due to the 99-07 team. 15 they were a good team in home conditions.

 

THIS....basically.

 

The better team always won and it will repeat this time. As simple as that. 

[rangeelaraja]

1 minute ago, deathmonger said:

People look at history and try to make patterns but that is more of a superstitious thing than real logic.

 

Aus 99-07 were prolly the GOAT team so they would have won in 03 anyway. 15 good team in home conditions. 11 and 19 they were beaten by the home teams in favourable conditions.

 

Ascribing Australian win due to their past records is like saying "Pakistan always has good fast bowlers. Indians can't bowl fast" due to past history although recent records suggest otherwise.

 

 

 

And we won every single league match in 2015 too ....so much for Aus being "much stronger " , with " massive upgrades" .

 

 

Edited November 16, 2023 by rangeelaraja

[gattaca]

15 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

That is BS. 

 

India in 2015 was stronger than Aus  - it was the same core that beat Aus 2011.

 

 

 

The middle order wasn’t strong after yuvraj. It took 10 years to find a replacement for him. 2015 Australia was winning all matches convincingly as well. Glen maxwell and Steve smith played really good knocks. The only batsman who had hope was Kohli who got out for 1. The remaining bats are ok but not great while chasing.

Edited November 16, 2023 by gattaca

[rangeelaraja]

Just now, gattaca said:

The middle wasn’t strong after yuvraj. It took 10 years to find a replacement for him.

 

 

We won every bloody league match in 2015 in Aus.

 

Something we could not even do at home in 2011 - we could not beat Eng and lost to SA

[deathmonger]

2 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

Sorry you don't make any sense. How do you certify Aus change as " massive" upgrade while ours as not ?

 

We had Dhawan who was the highest run scorer in 2013 champions trophy that we won.

 

Kohli at his peak, Ashwin, Jaddu,  Rohit.   So these are "downgrades" ?

 

It was a shitshow that we typically put on in knockouts, batting second on flat wickets, conceeding big score and then wilting under scoreboard pressure.

Just like in 2017 championship finals against Pakistan.

 

 

 

 

Cause Ashwin-Jaddu bowling 20 overs outside the SC is a downgrade. Same thing in 2017.

 

2013 CT had turning conditions.

 

2015 bowling was huge downgrade over 2011, putting the conditions also into factor. Zaheer Ashwin Harbhajan etc on slow low wickets is way better than Shami Umesh Mohit Ashwin Jaddu in Australia.

 

Aus "change" was a massive upgrade cause they were all better than their 2011 team which mostly consisted of over the hill players from 2007 etc. Ours was a "downgrade" cause both the batting and bowling were below the 2011 team.

 

Rohit Kohli Dhawan were good but in 2015 we had Rahane at 4 and Jadeja at 7 while in 2011 we had Kohli at 4 and Yuvraj at 6 (Raina was 7 then). 2011 Yuvraj makes a huge difference.

[deathmonger]

3 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

And we won every single league match in 2015 too ....so much for Aus being "much stronger " , with " massive upgrades" .

 

 

We won every single league match cause we were in the weaker group.

 

Even NZ won every single league match.

 

It is not the same as 2023 where we had to play every team.

 

This same Aus was manhandling us in the tri series before as well as the warmup.

[deathmonger]

2 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

We won every bloody league match in 2015 in Aus.

 

Something we could not even do at home in 2011 - we could not beat Eng and lost to SA

That's cause we were in the weaker group. Even NZ won their group.

 

We would never have beaten NZ or Aus.

 

Aus was manhandling us in the tri series and warmups. NZ did too a year before.

 

2015 is the most overrated performance. Only good win was SA. Weak group plus Bang in QFs (not England who had been beating us in the tri series too).

 

2015 Ind is like 2011 Pak. Topped weak group. Had easy QF. Lost in semi to home favourites.

[Norman]

23 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

India in 2015 was stronger than Aus  - it was the same core that beat Aus 2011.

 

Not one ounce of this sentence is true lmao 

[Number]

3 minutes ago, deathmonger said:

We won every single league match cause we were in the weaker group.

 

Even NZ won every single league match.

 

It is not the same as 2023 where we had to play every team.

 

This same Aus was manhandling us in the tri series before as well as the warmup.

In 2015 we were simply poor in Australia and only made it through because we had every possible minnow on planet till SFs. Even England beat us in that tri series comfortably and England were a joke team that time.

[deathmonger]

Just now, Number said:

In 2015 we were simply poor in Australia and only made it through because we had every possible minnow on planet till SFs. Even England beat us in that tri series comfortably and England were a joke team that time.

We lucked out with that Bang QF as well.

[Frustrated]

Do as much jinxing as U want.  But the truth is a full strenght NZ side would give Ind more scare than this Aus side in a KO game in the sub-continent any day of the week.   And we hv already passed the NZ challenge last night.  

[deathmonger]

2 minutes ago, Frustrated said:

Do as much jinxing as U want.  But the truth is a full strenght NZ side would give Ind more scare than this Aus side in a KO game in the sub-continent any day of the week.   And we hv already passed the NZ challenge last night.  

 

NZ just match up against India well. Plus Wankhede fear was there with their swing bowlers swinging it under the lights as well as small boundaries and flat conditions negating spinners.

 

Not saying it's a guaranteed win, but this Indian team against this Aus team on a slow low track in Ahmedabad with big boundaries are massive favorites especially considering Australian frailties against spin and the fact that Maxwell/Head is their 2nd spinner.

 

Bangalore/Wankhede I would still be worried cause the spinners can get tonked around but not here.

 

If Aussies win, good for them. They would have played real good cricket to win.

[Lone Wolf]

49 minutes ago, rangeelaraja said:

 

 

Sorry you don't make any sense. How do you certify Aus change as " massive" upgrade while ours as not ?

 

We had Dhawan who was the highest run scorer in 2013 champions trophy that we won.

 

Kohli at his peak, Ashwin, Jaddu,  Rohit.   So these are "downgrades" ?

 

It was a shitshow that we typically put on in knockouts, batting second on flat wickets, conceeding big score and then wilting under scoreboard pressure.

Just like in 2017 championship finals against Pakistan.

 

 

 

Nah Australia 2015 were red hot favorites.... I remember Pakistanis were super confident of defeating India in Adelaide considering we were so crap leading into the tourney...  England &,  Australia toyed with us in Tri Series...  Ro Ko were under fire.

 

Then obviously we went on a run.  Win against SA was the real highlight for me in the group stage...  We broke the jinx. 

Semis was the realistic scenario for us. 

Australia were playing cricket a cut above others.  Everyone knew Kiwis would struggle outside of NZ..  In the final they did.

 

[bowl_out]

4 hours ago, rangeelaraja said:

Also our unlucky mascot Richard Kettleborough is going to be umpiring the final.

 

Kettleborough - has been umpire in each and every knockout match we have lost - its a coincidence that cannot be shrugged off. Just go check the scorecards.

 

In the whole damn ICC are there no other competent neutral umpires for India's matches ?

 

We won the semis comfortably in the end because he was not umpiring - he is going to do his panauti for India in the finals.

 

He is among the best umpires out there. Obviously ICC will put him there for a high profile match.

We always get to knockouts and choke in knock outs.

Not his mistake that we choke 

[deathmonger]

Just now, Lone Wolf said:

Nah Australia 2015 were red hot favorites.... I remember Pakistanis were super confident of defeating India in Adelaide considering we were so crap leading into the tourney...  England &,  Australia toyed with us in Tri Series...  Ro Ko were under fire.

 

Then obviously we went on a run.  Win against SA was the real highlight for me in the group stage...  We broke the jinx. 

Semis was the realistic scenario for us. 

Australia were playing cricket a cut above others.  Everyone knew Kiwis would struggle outside of NZ..  In the final they did.

 

Pakistanis themselves were being smashed by Kiwis I believe lol. I always knew we would win that. Their bowling had taken a major quality drop post Ajmal ban as well.

 

SA win was the real good win. SA were a very good team that WC.

 

NZ were also good and would have prolly won if the final was in NZ.

[Sean Bradley]

BC itna Sasta jinx thread life mein nahi dekha. Doob mar OP phitteymuh 

Edited November 16, 2023 by Sean Bradley

[deathmonger]

3 minutes ago, bowl_out said:

 

He is among the best umpires out there. Obviously ICC will put him there for a high profile match.

We always get to knockouts and choke in knock outs.

Not his mistake that we choke 

Some are chokes.

 

But a lot are us simply being the weaker team, especially in the conditions. A lot of those would be Ind victories in favorable conditions.

Edited November 16, 2023 by deathmonger