Proud of team India

[Tillu]

Just like India is desenisitised to losing, Aussies too must have been desenisitised to winning all the time. This tournament has been occupying my mind space for the last two months. Glad it's finally over. It feels so liberating. I didn't even feel sad.

[Khota]

10 minutes ago, Texan said:

So Dravid was responsible for our last 5 sh!t shows in finals (semis in one case)?

 

Yes, I do think Dravid is to blame as well but is it fair to say that many of our so called experienced players let us down yet again? Doesn't it convey a message that these guys may just not be capable of getting the team past the final hurdle? Should we keep investing in such players?

I am only blaming him for this one. If a better team loses it is on the coach.

[Texan]

8 minutes ago, Khota said:

I am only blaming him for this one. If a better team loses it is on the coach.

Some people are blaming the coach, some others are blaming the pitch. But the root causes are somewhere else. 

[Khota]

6 minutes ago, Texan said:

Some people are blaming the coach, some others are blaming the pitch. But the root causes are somewhere else. 

A wise man once said, if you don't take the prey seriously you will be the meal. They took Australia lightly.

[Texan]

7 minutes ago, Texan said:

Some people are blaming the coach, some others are blaming the pitch. But the root causes are somewhere else. 

Best one of the lot is one that is blaming the stadium for being a panauti. 

 

The extent to which some of our folks can go to 

[Khota]

31 minutes ago, Texan said:

"Proud of team" posts on social media are so nauseating. Nobody seems to want some accountability. Why same players keep playing finals when they have lost so many? Only few folks on ICF question this. Most celebs are just happy to be "proud of the team". I still see most of them still celebrating Kohli's 50 hundreds. Nobody is questioning his temperament for high pressure finals. 

From one of my favorite films, Talladega Nights "If you aren't first, you are last."

 

Proud crowd needs to shut up and go home. This defeat needs to hurt.

[Khota]

1 minute ago, Texan said:

Best one of the lot is one that is blaming the stadium for being a panauti. 

 

The extent to which some of our folks can go to 

Stadium/Pitch has nothing to do with it. Men in blue sucked.

[kepler37b]

If we should be  proud of anything, it should be of accepting mediocrity. We are legendary in that.

 

[IndiaWC8311]

Loser mentality

 

Nothing to be proud of getting whipped (again) by Aussies at HOME where you were overwhelming favorites and had all the home advantage. And also given the fact that the last 3 World Cups have been won by the hosts

 

Pathetic captaincy by Rohit. He should be fired as captain ASAP

[Laaloo]

2014

2015

2016

2017

2019

2021

2022

2023

 

Same **** different year

Same personnel

Enough is enough

[SRT100]

29 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

In pure cricketing sense, win or loss is part of the game. I guess everyone understands it and accepts it...what matters most is the learning curve, where we learn from our mistakes and we try to avoid them in future.

 

Unfortunately, for BCCI..they keep on repeating same mistakes and don't seem to learn anything from the failures.

 

Time and time again it has been discussed to create backup for Pandya, all we get is the fake allrounders like Dube, Shankar etc who are primarily batters. Venkatesh Iyer was doing okaish but suddenly dropped from the scheme of things when Hardik came back. No focus was given on grooming allrounders like Bawa. This becomes very important as we don't have batters who can bowl unlike in 2011 where we had Yuvi, Raina, Sehwag, Tendulkar all capable of bowling.

 

Bowlers who can bat is always an asset, time and time again we have discussed the need of a bowling allrounder at no 8. A proper fast/spin bowler who can score runs with the bat. We went into this WC expecting Bumrah, Shami, Kuldeep to contribute with the bat. They are good for 8-10 runs....but you can't expect 25-30 run inns from them. In comparison we had Bhajji & Zak who can tonk the ball if needed.

 

Specialist finishers at 6-7 is must in any format. When I say specialist I mean the batters who has experience in batting at that position, who knows how to bat with the tail, farm the strike and hit big. Both Jadeja & SKY were incapable of doing that, SKY was never a no 6/7 batter (we did same mistake with Hooda as well) while Jadeja simply in an incapable batter under pressure. We need to play batters like Abhinav Manohar, Rinku Singh who bat at no 6/7 and understand how to bat with tail.

 

Lastly, KL is not a solution. No matter how asthetically pleasing he looks with bat and keeping, when the pressure is on...the demons in his mind will take over impacting his abilities. He is not the first player who has this issue, ABDV too had that, but such players always need happy scenarios to perform on big stages...he has fear of failure and no matter how glorified his 50 over stats are, we need to move away from him..it's been 4 WC's (2019,2021,2022,2023)...enough for anyone to judge where he lacks.

 

Anyway, enough of rant. I doubt if BCCI or these cricketers even care a damn about these trophies. They will cry for few seconds to get the media coverage and PR machinery activated..then will go to their hotel rooms and will enjoy the night, because they know ki Indian public are fools.

 

Great post.

 

The irony with this Indian team is that it missed the two players that it simply cannot cover for.

 

Pant and Pandya. Both players really allow India to play around with its team structure and gives them flexibility to field different batting lineup or bowling line up.

 

I know Pant may never come back and Pandya's body is fragile. However these two players are what India need to plan for the future.

 

I also believe we simply need batsmen who can bowl part time its really handicapping team in a major way.

 

Ive given up on Indian bowlers being able to bat, when it happens its by chance and nothing we should be relying on.

[SRT100]

Indian posters today are going through

 

The five stages of grief :

• denial.
• anger.
• bargaining.
• depression.
• acceptance.

 

Ive skipped depression. This team is not worth being depressed over.

Im at acceptance now.

[Mariyam]

1 hour ago, Texan said:

 

Whose heads are going to roll? As usual, BCCI will find some meek lambs like SKY this time and won't actually address the root cause. Last time it was Dinesh Karthik who became the bakra. This time, it will be SKY.

 

Nobody will address the elephant in the room. Kohli, Rohit, Jadeja have now played in 5 ICC level KO games that we have lost (CT 2017, WC 2019, WTC 2021, WTC 2022, WC 2023). Shami and Bumrah have played 4. Do you think any of these heads are going to roll?

 

I think Dravid will also get the sack. One of Kohli/ Ro Sha will retire. Though I'm not sure if they are to blame for this tournament.

Probably Hardik will get a downgraded contract.

 

They are to blame for not retiring earlier, but that's a tangential discussion.

[Texan]

Just now, Mariyam said:

One of Kohli/ Ro Sha will retire. 

They are not going anywhere. They are not going to be done at least until they screw us in 2027 WC. 

[Mariyam]

9 hours ago, express bowling said:

1)  There are only 5 or 6 strong teams in cricket.  Coming 2nd is not a good result.

 

2)  It was known all along that to win the WC, we have to win in the SF and Final. Winning every league stage match stellarly was never the objective. The league games wins were just to reach the SF.

 

3)  We having been losing in the SF and Finals of big tournaments for the last 10 years. In many of these, we have been really good in league stages. 

 

Our cricket team, TM and us fans knew and know all of the above. 

 

This tournament only proves that we are losing despite having a very strong team. 

 

There is nothing to be happy about or be proud of.  If we are happy with this tournament's result then we will keep losing such tournaments in the future.

Don't disagree with anything you've said. However:

 

1) That there are 5-6 good teams is not our making. We can only play who ever we are pitted against. If the wider world is uninterested in the sport, it doesn't demean the sport. Would you say something similar about Basketball or that strange American sport where grown men in gear run into each other? Practically no one else plays that. Ditto a game like Kabaddi or Antakshiri.  Low geographic spread of a sport doesn't devalue it.

Few people playing the game was something that has been true for 50+ years. Its not a today problem. If anything, we have Afghanistan emerge as a decent side.

 

2) Winning every league game in a stellar fashion is not the objective. But now that it happened, doesn't it mean we played well? Our 2019 campaign was a joke compared to this. In one of the earlier WCs we needed other teams to win/lose to qualify. Our players played out of their skin here. Especially the bowlers: the fast bowlers YOU support all these years.

 

3) I read a lot of point three here. We have been losing for 10 years in finals/semi finals. In general, what happened 10 years ago has no bearing on what will happen today. Barring one or two players the entire team is different. Yes its a bad record, but its not indicative of anything. 

 

I'm hurting just as much as the next guy/gal. However, to say that we didn't play good over the tournament is UNFAIR.

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

lol. what is there to be proud of in this?

 

Bunch or arrogant stubborn and clueless sportsmen  we have in this team

[Lord]

 

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, Mariyam said:

 

I'm hurting just as much as the next guy/gal. However, to say that we didn't play good over the tournament is UNFAIR.

I agree with your points, but for me..you are either number one or you're not.

The last 10 games don't matter now, unless we're considering moral victory.

 

There is zero work done by the BCCI's on the shortcomings existing since ages.

[Texan]

Meanwhile if you check Aussie news sites, they are not even reporting about the World Cup triumph in their top 3-4 stories. They have already relegated it to the inside pages or linked after scrolling through the first few news items. 

 

It seems like they are so used to winning this, it doesn't even warrant a national celebration. 

 

And here on social media, we have legions of posts and stories about how proud we are of the losing team. Even BCCI's own post about how proud they are of the team is littered with more comments and likes with support. 

 

Even Cricket Australia's post declaring themselves World Champions has more Indians commenting on it than Australians 

 

Honestly, I would have been proud too if this was an aberration. Had we won the Cup in 2019, won two WTCs, then it would have been a different story and we could consider this a one-off. But we all know that this is part of the same pattern.

[Haarkarjeetgaye]

1 hour ago, Mariyam said:

Don't disagree with anything you've said. However:

 

1) That there are 5-6 good teams is not our making. We can only play who ever we are pitted against. If the wider world is uninterested in the sport, it doesn't demean the sport. Would you say something similar about Basketball or that strange American sport where grown men in gear run into each other? Practically no one else plays that. Ditto a game like Kabaddi or Antakshiri.  Low geographic spread of a sport doesn't devalue it.

Few people playing the game was something that has been true for 50+ years. Its not a today problem. If anything, we have Afghanistan emerge as a decent side.

 

2) Winning every league game in a stellar fashion is not the objective. But now that it happened, doesn't it mean we played well? Our 2019 campaign was a joke compared to this. In one of the earlier WCs we needed other teams to win/lose to qualify. Our players played out of their skin here. Especially the bowlers: the fast bowlers YOU support all these years.

 

3) I read a lot of point three here. We have been losing for 10 years in finals/semi finals. In general, what happened 10 years ago has no bearing on what will happen today. Barring one or two players the entire team is different. Yes its a bad record, but its not indicative of anything. 

 

I'm hurting just as much as the next guy/gal. However, to say that we didn't play good over the tournament is UNFAIR.

Point 2 - No it does not mean we played well. We played safe which meant we played slower at times and did not let the lower order come into the game. This is a cancerous thinking and will lead to more such losses