maniac Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Yuvi gets benefit of doubt and sympathy votes for beating cancer and making a comeback so I am going with Rahul here. 2nd place is MSD. I know people are going to let me have it for mentioning Dhoni and give me coulda woulda shoulda and he could have won it theory but what a phattu innings that was. First hiding behind others unlike in 2011 where he claims to take the initiative and then once conditons got easy still doing the dumb take it deep crap. Not the culprit but terrible innings. tough to decide because Yuvi screwed it up against SL. 2014,2016,2017 hurt more because it was weaker teams like SL, WI and Pak Aus, Nzl you can somewhat understand However KL Rahul is a winner for me here. Just sucked out the momentum I feel. Ajju 1 Link to comment
Ajju Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Dhoni. Little bit of initiative at early then we could have won that match. Link to comment
Serpico Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 (edited) Rahul's innings yesterday is in another league, can be compared with Gavaskars legendary knock in the first world cup. However msd's was more frustrating because we were so close to winning Edited November 20 by Serpico maniac 1 Link to comment
maniac Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 Also just to add Yuvraj-nearing retirement and beating cancer Dhoni: nearly retired Rahul was in (supposed to be atleast) peak fit and in form Ps: his keeping let me down but still something there :) Link to comment
Ultimate_Game Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Yuvraj's was the worst. In other cases we had lost wickets and there was pressure not to lose any more wickets. But Yuvraj played that innings when we had 8 wkts in hand, including an in form Raina! Plus it was T20. He should've thrown his bat around or retired. That was a much worse performance than the others, and had no justification at all. Texan and zen 2 Link to comment
maniac Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 Just now, Ultimate_Game said: Yuvraj's was the worst. In other cases we had lost wickets and there was pressure not to lose any more wickets. But Yuvraj played that innings when we had 8 wkts in hand, including an in form Raina! Plus it was T20. He should've thrown his bat around or retired. That was a much worse performance than the others, and had no justification at all. Yuvraj’s knock while terrible can be compared to SKY’s knock yesterday where there was intent but no timing, lack of form etc and good smart bowling by opposition. Dhoni’s knock was too timid but Rahul’s knock was the most aimless and phattu knock i have ever seen. No recency bias here: conjured up all the factors to come with that conclusion Link to comment
Ultimate_Game Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 1 minute ago, maniac said: Yuvraj’s knock while terrible can be compared to SKY’s knock yesterday where there was intent but no timing, lack of form etc and good smart bowling by opposition. Dhoni’s knock was too timid but Rahul’s knock was the most aimless and phattu knock i have ever seen. No recency bias here: conjured up all the factors to come with that conclusion Though Rahul's knock was pathetic, India had lost 3 wkts by 11th over. At least there was a justification to bide out time and hope they score at the death. With Dhoni, he was the last batting pair with Jadeja followed by our pathetic tail. SKY's knock yesterday was pretty poor as well but there was nobody left at the time so it's not as if he gets out, someone else could do better given the quality of our tail which has remained consistent over the last decade - and the reason why we couldn't win even once when the chips were down. But Yuvraj was batting when we had 8 wkts in the bank! He should've been run out by Kohli. If he had gotten out early, we would've scored around 150-160 which was a winning total on the pitch. Raina was in amazing form that tourney. That's the reason Yuvi's knock is bad as we were left wondering "what if Raina had a chance to bat". With the other knocks there were no what ifs coz we had already lost most of the batting and there wasn't anyone else to call upon. Texan 1 Link to comment
BlueBlood Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Yes but Yuvi was booted from team after that performance. Same with Dhoni who retired after that match. What about SKY, Rahul, kohli and others who look like they will play the next world cup also? People love to hate on Dhoni but at least he took the game deep and gave 50/50 chance to win. Here Rahul and SKY knock made it 80% in favor of Aus. And they make SKY captain of T20 side instead if punishing him for such a bad performance. I would rate SKY innings worse than Rahul as he had 15 overs and full license to hit or get out. maniac, The Hound and Ultimate_Game 1 2 Link to comment
The Realist Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Rahul should not be playing competitive sport. So meek and mentally fragile. Never won anything tangible. Even Rahane shows more intent and at least has smart captaincy skills. Ultimate_Game, maniac and BlueBlood 1 2 Link to comment
Gollum Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 @maniac 2014 SL wasn't weak by any stretch of imagination. Till 2015/16 they were elite. They didn't fluke their way to the 2014 final, remember how they thrashed NZ in the SF? They were finalists in 2009, 2012 WT20s, 2011 finalist even made the SF in 2013 CT. In that phase they were the most consistent team in ICC events, always made deep runs. Also 2014 was their year, won the Asia Cup, won a test series in England, hammered Pak (Misbah, YK, Ajmal team) mercilessly. 2016 WI too was damn good at T20s, especially on pitches like the ones they got in that SF match. Sammy was their number 9 or 10, imagine their batting depth and firepower. maniac and Texan 1 1 Link to comment
BlueBlood Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Issue is Indian fans have selective memory. Everyone knows Rohit, Kohli and Rahul cannot play under pressure. Yet they suddenly think THIS TIME it will be different. Yuvraj was exposed because he came after a long break and didn't expect international level to be so competitive. He won us 2 world cups so we can excuse him as someone who served the country even with Cancer with zero excuses both with bat and ball. KL Rahul, SKY are known chokers. It's like a given with these two. Ultimate_Game 1 Link to comment
jusarrived Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Ok KLs knock wasn't great, he usually dosent counter attack like Virat ..you can argue he could have got 10-15 more singles in that innings ..but that's it. 40 overs to play on a difficult pitch with only tail to follow. It was a half decent knock which avoided us getting bowled out for 175. Dint mean much in the end, but if you have to blame it should be guys like Gill and Iyer who lacked the skill to apply on a difficult pitch I thought we where just unlucky yesterday, forget the pitch..everything was going straight to the fielders, Aus barely bowled one or two bad balls in the entire innings and the bloody dew in the second innings. Aus just had a perfect day. The Hound 1 Link to comment
Texan Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 I know that emotions are high about the current WC loss, but Yuvraj's knock was hands down the worst ever knock in the history of Indian LOI cricket. It was completely brainless to plod around when there was absolutely no need. Kohli at the other end was striking it really well, there were no demons in the pitch and bowling wasn't threatening. He should have just skied one up and got out. That's all he had to do to give others a chance to bat. Yuvraj's knock was as brainless as it can get. We lost a great chance to win another WT20 that continues to elude us to this day (after that first one). Ultimate_Game 1 Link to comment
Cricketics Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 We had 22 freaking overs left when Kohli got out in the 28th over with score reading 148. So we were well over 5 runs per over in 28th over and 22 overs left still, we could have easily taken the score close to 275 plus had we only batted sensibly the next 22 overs. But we did not. This spill from Rahul looking deer caught in headlight when Kohli got out. Rahul had alresdy played 60 odd balls being slow and he continued further with Jadeja. One can blame seniors for throwing their wicket or not hitting much boundaries but they played their game to their role and set the score for the young players to contribute towards who have played enough now. 148 in 28 overs and then nothing much to add after Kohli’s wicket is where we lost it eventually. It is a team game at the end of the day, individual brilliance like Shami’s 7fer doesn’t happen every day. maniac and Ultimate_Game 1 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 India's biggest loss was Iyer. There is no way in hell he would have let those part timers get away. He was the only X factor we had besides Rohit. SKY is a fake X factor. Ultimate_Game 1 Link to comment
Bigg Brother Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Rohit in last wt20 SF against England also needs an honourable mention, 27 off 28. The game was gone then and there only. Played mostly trundler Stokes,Woakes and Livingstone. Yuvi is faltu ka badnaam, Kohli played equally bad knock that day, 73 off 58 odds don't win you matches. You have to step up while setting up targets. Out of the list, KLR Tops the list, Will never be able to forget him for this fiasco yesterday and those maidens overs in last wt20. maniac and The Hound 2 Link to comment
maniac Posted November 20 Author Share Posted November 20 1 minute ago, vvvslaxman said: India's biggest loss was Iyer. There is no way in hell he would have let those part timers get away. He was the only X factor we had besides Rohit. SKY is a fake X factor. Getting a low score can happen to anyone. It takes 1 good ball or false shot but 60 from 100+ balls with 1 boundary is inexcusable Bigg Brother 1 Link to comment
vvvslaxman Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Just now, maniac said: Getting a low score can happen to anyone. It takes 1 good ball or false shot but 60 from 100+ balls with 1 boundary is inexcusable I just go by how KL Rahul played in previous games. Even when we were in commanding position he wasn't exactly racing away. maniac 1 Link to comment
The Hound Posted November 20 Share Posted November 20 Dhoni would've probably won that game if not for that freak runout. All he had to do was hit 20 off Neesham in the last over. Not really comparable to the other two Laaloo 1 Link to comment
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