coffee_rules Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 4 hours ago, BlueBlood said: Here's the real stats: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita #140 in the world just below Bangladesh. As I mentioned already a significant portion of this "wealth" is remittances from NRI's abroad specifically from people in Arab nations. If we remove that, it would be even lower number. UN's definition of upliftment from poverty is someone having more than 1 meal a day. Not someone earning a good wage and has room for growth. On one hand Ambanis and Adanis are amongst the richest in the world but the number of billionaires or even millionaires in India don't even come close to any top country. India has 0.08% of millionaires as a percentage of population. China = 0.6% (almost 1000% more) or even Mexico at 0.4% (almost 500% more) and it's worse than even Iran of all places (0.1%) The reality is the difference between have's and have nots is insanely bad in India and it has gotten worse. Probably the worst in the world due to the population density. Economic upliftment means not just Adanis and Ambanis but a small startup with zero parent backing should grow into something great to set an example for others to follow. China, Brazil, Vietnam and Mexico alone in the last 10 years have thousands of such examples. India's greatest success story of Byju's turned into a disaster in this area. At the end of the day, a country's progress is bottom up upliftment not top down. I keep seeing these brainwashed posts of India now being a rich nation in the last 10 years under Modi but the data shows otherwise. It's just that you choose to ignore abject poverty to live your day to day life. By the way Hyderabad is top 5 in tax revenues as a city: https://www.timesnownews.com/business-economy/economy/bengaluru-to-delhi-indias-top-5-cities-in-direct-tax-collection-full-list-article-99464958 Definitely qualifies as tier 1. Keep harping in GDP per capita like a broken record. We went through this before. More opinion farts passed off as facts. GDP per capita is not the only measure and with 144 bil , we will always come short. Look at growth rates and PPP purchasing power parity. Below poverty-line stats are UN and WB released stats where India is on the rise to doubt it as Adani released facts. . For income inequality compare the Gini Coefficient that WB releases. India is in the mid-range , around the same as Australia. https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gini-coefficient-by-country If BD GDP per capita is a bit higher (they were always lower than India) , it doesn’t mean the state of a common man is worse in India compared to BD. It is a mere GDP divided by population . Nothing about living conditions about it. BD can’t afford weapons From US /Russia /France market that India buys from , even on a line of credit. BD relies on cheap inferior Chinese arms. Hence US is arm twisting BD to stay away from China. compare Soft Power for starters. Your are short-selling India just like Hindenburg way too much! . Edited February 3 by coffee_rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 10 hours ago, Mariyam said: I mentioned Hyderabad as tier 2 to troll a whole host of ICFers. But Hyderabad is definitely behind Mumbai, Bangalore and Delhi Gurugram combine when it comes to share of taxes. Perhaps behind Chennai As Forrest Gump says, “A Troll is as a Troll does” . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 7 hours ago, BlueBlood said: There's no magic here. Adani is a piggy bank to Modi and BJP for elections and politics as his success is directly tied to BJP being in power. Even a andh bhakt like coffee_rules and gattaca here will accept this as a necessary evil to get the job done for Hindutva agenda. The Geo Politics is very simplified: India will always bully the weaker nations (Pakistan, Maldives, Sri Lanka etc.) but will never go against UAE/Saudi/USA/China etc. as there's too much money at stake for the corporations that rely on foreign direct investment . We've seen how BJP gov't chickened out against China and didn't escalate even though they are taking over territory. One line. Adani is Indian version of BRI + aspiring part of Military Industrial Complex. Deep states around the world will be either pro or against Adani depending upon their national interest, But Indian deep State will allways be with Adani. Modi or No Modi. Matters zilch to Indian Deep State. You are confused. With Indian Deep State vs Modi. India must maintain or improve its hegemony in region. Mistake was under Nehru and previous politicians who thought that opinion like urs which comes from moralist point of view to be used despite Americans warning us since late 1940s that don’t do it. Atleast Ask Chinese what you will get in return. Unfortunately during Nehru. Foreign policy were driven by ideology and novices, not by Deep State as there wasn’t any. So I don’t fully blame Nehru. But post Him, everything was mistake in dealing China till George Fernades who was first to foresee gravity of thise mistake. FFS , ince even Chinese diplomat said to Indian diplomat it eas ur mistake to agree their POV. So, we are decisively against China to a level where we want to balance books ie Return to what We have allready given during whole of 20th century. Read Chanakya Niti why we can potentially remain friends for life with Saudis or UAE. BTW, Go to UAE, You will find it gives buzz of another province of India albeit developed one. This is best example how two nations co exist in symbiotic relationship. PS: Hegemony is not bullying Edited February 3 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lannister Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 At least Western conservatives remain within their own countries, but ours are like perpetual bevarsis, always the first to abandon ship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh bling Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 20 hours ago, mishra said: HAve people observed, the states where BJP is in power, Most seem optimistic and happy with pace of development and Change. The States where BJP is not in power, Most keep harping about law and order, facilities and So on. Basically former are optimistic about India's future and later are not. And when BJP was not in Centre (Congress rule period), whole of India was NOT optimistic about Indias future except Gujrat where Gujratis were just happy about State of their State within India Is this optimism you are talking about https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chandigarh/better-to-die-in-israel-than-of-hunger-here-say-job-seekers/articleshow/106911431.cms BlueBlood 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 Start abusing when you got no other argument. Better to serve India from outside than to be losers , self-loathers and do RR like a biknasi ravishingravi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, Lannister said: At least Western conservatives remain within their own countries, but ours are like perpetual bevarsis, always the first to abandon ship. western conservatives have colonised and completely westernised three continents. Its now our turn to colonise your leftie-liberal masters and be better at them at everything in their own homeland. if we abandoned ship, we'd not be the biggest returners of looted wealth to india. ravishingravi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 12 hours ago, BlueBlood said: UN's definition of upliftment from poverty is someone having more than 1 meal a day. Not someone earning a good wage and has room for growth. Irrelevant. Whether the definition of upliftment is 3 meals or 2 rotis, if hundreds of millions have improved their lot, then that is the raw, objective data. And raw data shows that the last 10 years have been the biggest improvement in the fortunes of the poorest sections of indian society in its independent history. 12 hours ago, BlueBlood said: The reality is the difference between have's and have nots is insanely bad in India and it has gotten worse. Probably the worst in the world due to the population density. False. It has gotten significantly better by all metrics over the last 20-30 years. Illiteracy, poverty, malnourishment etc. are all on the decline and disposable income is on the increase. these are all objective evidence of things getting better, not getting worse. 12 hours ago, BlueBlood said: At the end of the day, a country's progress is bottom up upliftment not top down. I keep seeing these brainwashed posts of India now being a rich nation in the last 10 years under Modi but the data shows otherwise. It's just that you choose to ignore abject poverty to live your day to day life. By the way Hyderabad is top 5 in tax revenues as a city: https://www.timesnownews.com/business-economy/economy/bengaluru-to-delhi-indias-top-5-cities-in-direct-tax-collection-full-list-article-99464958 Definitely qualifies as tier 1. Data shows that under Modi, the progress from bottom up is going at a record pace and better than anyone else's in history of the planet barring China's upliftment from poverty in the 80s-present time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) Wrong thread Edited February 3 by coffee_rules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBlood Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 11 hours ago, gattaca said: Your posts are nonsense. Adani brother has been a citizen of Cyprus from 96. What is the problem you went on rambling. At least quote me if you are taking about me. You provided no evidence every time I counter your arguments. Adani is building ports across the world. Recently he gave a port for Israel. BJP or modi doesn’t need him for elections. Congress chamcha like you don’t understand beyond elections. Adani is needed to counter china and build infrastructure as fast as them and provide it to countries which might be strategic for India’s interests.Congress chamcha can’t understand that and are still stuck in 90s. This is the joke of the century. Adani, who owns 10 corporate jets, dozens of homes and is buying up all government owned infrastructure in India is now a savior of India to counter China. Not the Indian army. My goodness the level of brainwashing is on a level even the Madarasas can't compete. Are you even repeating to yourself what you write? Because while you worship Adani, he is sitting at his golden palace now funded by state banks that don't even give a penny loan to small businesses without collateral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 3 hours ago, BlueBlood said: This is the joke of the century. Adani, who owns 10 corporate jets, dozens of homes and is buying up all government owned infrastructure in India is now a savior of India to counter China. Not the Indian army. Its not one or the either. To counter China, we need to counter them in the industrial space as well. Thats where Adani comes in. 3 hours ago, BlueBlood said: My goodness the level of brainwashing is on a level even the Madarasas can't compete. Are you even repeating to yourself what you write? We are not the ones brainwashed to discard facts of poverty alleviation- you are. 3 hours ago, BlueBlood said: Because while you worship Adani, he is sitting at his golden palace now funded by state banks that don't even give a penny loan to small businesses without collateral. And that is fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 8 hours ago, Singh bling said: Is this optimism you are talking about https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chandigarh/better-to-die-in-israel-than-of-hunger-here-say-job-seekers/articleshow/106911431.cms Sorry, whats ur point. Are you saying that thry are not optimistic about future or they represent majority view in state? Edited February 3 by mishra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gattaca Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 (edited) 4 hours ago, BlueBlood said: This is the joke of the century. Adani, who owns 10 corporate jets, dozens of homes and is buying up all government owned infrastructure in India is now a savior of India to counter China. Not the Indian army. My goodness the level of brainwashing is on a level even the Madarasas can't compete. Are you even repeating to yourself what you write? Because while you worship Adani, he is sitting at his golden palace now funded by state banks that don't even give a penny loan to small businesses without collateral. lol what happened to adani brother. He is ok now. Again congress had license raj and epitome of corruption. congress chamchas got rich. Now licensing is all online no middle man. Businesses will get rich in India. Adani , Ambani every industrialist will get loans and provide employment. Every time someone cries about Adani or ambani they should at least research how much employment they provide. They provide employment to over 2,60, 000. This is direct employment only there is indirect employment as well. Edited February 3 by gattaca Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vijy Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, Muloghonto said: Its not one or the either. To counter China, we need to counter them in the industrial space as well. Thats where Adani comes in. We are not the ones brainwashed to discard facts of poverty alleviation- you are. And that is fine. the gap here is bigger than many know, though china is admittedly on a decline. more people than adani will be needed to close that gap Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mishra Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 11 minutes ago, Vijy said: the gap here is bigger than many know, though china is admittedly on a decline. more people than adani will be needed to close that gap Its massive Gap. 18 trillion : 4 trillion is not not to be seen as 9:2. See it as how many years from now India will become a 18 trillion economy and suddenly it dawns how much gap exists. Right now, We need help from everyone, US, UK, EU, and most importantly Russia to stand a chance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueBlood Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 1 hour ago, gattaca said: lol what happened to adani brother. He is ok now. Again congress had license raj and epitome of corruption. congress chamchas got rich. Now licensing is all online no middle man. Businesses will get rich in India. Adani , Ambani every industrialist will get loans and provide employment. Every time someone cries about Adani or ambani they should at least research how much employment they provide. They provide employment to over 2,60, 000. This is direct employment only there is indirect employment as well. There's a saying: there are those who lead and there are those who follow. People like you will always worship kings who will loot you behind the scenes but you will be happy as he is at least "your king". The difference is, there should not even be a king in a democracy. The fact that you keep coming up with new excuses to prop up robber barons of modern India who don't donate a single cent for the upliftment of small businesses and are defacto monopolies in several key sectors is all I need to know that you will be satisfied being a slave as long as your master is someone who agrees with you on a couple of issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 3 Share Posted February 3 10 hours ago, Singh bling said: Is this optimism you are talking about https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/chandigarh/better-to-die-in-israel-than-of-hunger-here-say-job-seekers/articleshow/106911431.cms Click-bait headline. There is nothing in the article that anybody said anything close to the headline.,, Bas apne pichawade se headline nikala chirakut ne!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 On 2/3/2024 at 9:53 AM, coffee_rules said: As Forrest Gump says, “A Troll is as a Troll does” . Forrest Gump?? Aa kon che? You have been thoroughly yankified. @MechEng is talking about the likes of you in this thread. Reference closer to home: Troll mol ke bol coffee_rules 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coffee_rules Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 5 minutes ago, Mariyam said: Forrest Gump?? Aa kon che? You have been thoroughly yankified. @MechEng is talking about the likes of you in this thread. Reference closer to home: Troll mol ke bol For him, the quote from Forrest Gump is: Stupid is as stupid does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muloghonto Posted February 4 Share Posted February 4 20 hours ago, BlueBlood said: There's a saying: there are those who lead and there are those who follow. People like you will always worship kings who will loot you behind the scenes but you will be happy as he is at least "your king". The difference is, there should not even be a king in a democracy. The fact that you keep coming up with new excuses to prop up robber barons of modern India who don't donate a single cent for the upliftment of small businesses and are defacto monopolies in several key sectors is all I need to know that you will be satisfied being a slave as long as your master is someone who agrees with you on a couple of issues. Except, there is always a king in democracy. Learn from your gora masters - robber barons that do the bidding of the nation state are heroes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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