New guy Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 (edited) Kohli coming in at over 4 to 6 and then playing 40 to 50 balls is not going to leave anything for middle order and finishers. The biggest difference between Kohli and others is that when others struggle at least they try to hit 6s and get out, when Kohli struggles he will just play risk free cricket, trying to hit on the ground and never gets out. His very presence at no 3 is the biggest imbalance for the team. Edited April 13 by New guy Lord, Gollum and cricspirit 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
New guy Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 52 minutes ago, deepdynamo said: Even with Rohit and Kohli, a winning team can still be build. They have to just make sure 1) No KL. This is cruicial because Kohli and KL batting together will suck all the momentum. ( like it happened on Nov 19- in post match Cummins mentioned that they deliberately wanted KL and Kohli to bat maximum overs) 2) Axar / Jadeja on No. 8. Either of the two can come at No. 8 and play as bowling allrounder. 3) Play seven batters two of whom can cover 4 overs. Jaiswal Rohit Kohli Sky Pant Dube Pandya Axar/ Jadeja Kuldeep Bumrah Arshdeep Reserves Abishekh/Parag Rinku Bishnoi Mayank - Above team has 4 left-hander and 4 right-hander in top 8. - 4 genuine bowling options + Pandya + Dube ( if needed) - options to be flexible even in reserves for e.g parag can come in for Dube in or Mayank for Arshdeep Kohli coming in at over 4 to 6 and then playing 40 to 50 balls is not going to leave anything for middle order and finishers. The biggest difference between Kohli and others is that when others struggle at least they try to hit 6s and get out, when Kohli struggles he will just play risk free cricket, trying to hit on the ground and never gets out. His very presence at no 3 is the biggest imbalance for the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Serpico Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 2 hours ago, New guy said: Kohli coming in at over 4 to 6 and then playing 40 to 50 balls is not going to leave anything for middle order and finishers. The biggest difference between Kohli and others is that when others struggle at least they try to hit 6s and get out, when Kohli struggles he will just play risk free cricket, trying to hit on the ground and never gets out. His very presence at no 3 is the biggest imbalance for the team. Yeah delaying sky's arrival who is our best t20 bat is not ideal. Maybe they can switch places and kohli can come at 4 (if he must play) New guy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepdynamo Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 3 hours ago, New guy said: Kohli coming in at over 4 to 6 and then playing 40 to 50 balls is not going to leave anything for middle order and finishers. The biggest difference between Kohli and others is that when others struggle at least they try to hit 6s and get out, when Kohli struggles he will just play risk free cricket, trying to hit on the ground and never gets out. His very presence at no 3 is the biggest imbalance for the team. Kohli at 3 can work because jaiswal and Rohit will definetly go bang bang and then sky at 4 will also go bang bang. So kohli is surrounded by strokeplayers and that can suit Kohli. Earlier, KL, Rohit( pre 2023) and Kohli were all similar players. Ideally we don't need Kohli at all. Parag, Abhishek or even Samson can do what Kohli does and give other dimesnions as well ( wk or bowling) that help balancing the XI. But we all know Kohli is locked so make peace with it and build team around Rohit and Kohli. cricspirit and New guy 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 6 hours ago, Serpico said: Yeah delaying sky's arrival who is our best t20 bat is not ideal. Maybe they can switch places and kohli can come at 4 (if he must play) Kohli if he plays HAS to open, That way atleast he can atleast get some boundaries in powerplay. Gets stuck bigtime after that, especially vs spin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted April 13 Author Share Posted April 13 14 minutes ago, Lord said: Kohli if he plays HAS to open, That way atleast he can atleast get some boundaries in powerplay. Gets stuck bigtime after that, especially vs spin no way. Kohli has no place for opening. Jaiswal n rohit will open. Then gill n then kohli. Kohli just needs to go from ball one if he has series of low scores he needs to be replaced by parag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted April 13 Author Share Posted April 13 (edited) If kohli open rohit have to play some retarded shots. As it is we can only expect 30-50 very quick runs cuz jaiswal dsnt block. If kohli plays rohit has to take all risk even on good balls. It will kill our chances Edited April 13 by Chaos sorak 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted April 13 Author Share Posted April 13 Parag will be in squad for sure. Only saving grace for kohli is he is scoring n has orange cap. But team rcb just sucks. Will be tough selection coming up. But kohli is too big of a name to drop and we need him. If he plays at 145-150 sr n others have to play at higher strike rate. We need one pillar to hold though. Or take WI route go all put attack, which results in big score or cheap losing scores. Its a gamble that dravid will never take. Luckily sharma is the captain, he dsnt take bs and shows it right infront of camera n players. Another two players are more dangerous to team india are kela n pandya. They r useless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted April 13 Author Share Posted April 13 Bumrah needs to be rested for few games atleast. We need him for wc. If not agakar will be stoned by indian public. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mariyam Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 9 hours ago, New guy said: Kohli coming in at over 4 to 6 and then playing 40 to 50 balls is not going to leave anything for middle order and finishers. The biggest difference between Kohli and others is that when others struggle at least they try to hit 6s and get out, when Kohli struggles he will just play risk free cricket, trying to hit on the ground and never gets out. His very presence at no 3 is the biggest imbalance for the team. I'm undecided on Kohli. He did win us that game against Pakistan the last time around. And in the ODI WC he had a great tournament. He plays better when he represents India. He is not getting younger though. It is a tough call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaFanatic Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 26 minutes ago, Chaos said: no way. Kohli has no place for opening. Jaiswal n rohit will open. Then gill n then kohli. Kohli just needs to go from ball one if he has series of low scores he needs to be replaced by parag. With Gill and Kohli at 3 & 4 we're sure to achieve below par totals in almost all the matches. But it's what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 36 minutes ago, Chaos said: no way. Kohli has no place for opening. Jaiswal n rohit will open. Then gill n then kohli. Kohli just needs to go from ball one if he has series of low scores he needs to be replaced by parag. He won't and won't be replaced express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaFanatic Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 44 minutes ago, Lord said: Kohli if he plays HAS to open, That way atleast he can atleast get some boundaries in powerplay. Gets stuck bigtime after that, especially vs spin Then Kohli will play 10 overs and make sure India bats through the 20 overs!! Consolidators have no business at the top order in T20Is unless the batting quality is associate level. Kohli may arguably be the greatest batsman in T20Is but the current Kohli should ideally make way for someone that's better at accelerating. Make no mistake he's still the most consistent scorer in this format though. express bowling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaFanatic Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 Say whatever his place in the top 3 is a given even if he goes out of form now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 1 minute ago, JaFanatic said: Then Kohli will play 10 overs and make sure India bats through the 20 overs!! Consolidators have no business at the top order in T20Is unless the batting quality is associate level. Kohli may arguably be the greatest batsman in T20Is but the current Kohli should ideally make way for someone that's better at accelerating. Make no mistake he's still the most consistent scorer in this format though. That's why I said if he plays. At 3 or 4 he will suck momentum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKane Posted April 13 Share Posted April 13 There is the WC and then the match against Pak. Have to see who besides Kohli stands up vs Pak. Generally vs Pak a lot of the players lose their nerve. Otherwise it will be upto Kohli again..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted April 13 Author Share Posted April 13 16 minutes ago, AKane said: There is the WC and then the match against Pak. Have to see who besides Kohli stands up vs Pak. Generally vs Pak a lot of the players lose their nerve. Otherwise it will be upto Kohli again..... for pak match kohli is a must. Pak cricketers shiiit in their pants especially after last heroics. Its like seeing goddess khali in real life for padosis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nikhil_cric Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 @Lord is right. Kohli, if he plays, has to open. At least he can create some impact in the Powerplay. He will create zero impact in the middle overs against spin. Lord 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vishalvirsingh Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 On 4/11/2024 at 10:24 PM, Sgattick10 said: Rohit Jaisu Kohli Sanju Surya Pandu Rinku Kully Chahal Bumrah Arshdeep My World Cup 16 will be ( If I am the chief selector) Rohit Jaiswal( ahead of GILL) SKY ahead of samson Virat ISHAN KISHAN (wicketkeeper ahead of Pant and JItesh) Venkatesh Iyer ahead of Rinku singh as he bats equally good against Pace and Spin, he is too tall and hits bouncers well..also bowls a bit. Dube is ahead of Rinku as Dube is a Power player and he can do the finisher role Bishnoi- spin Kuldeep Chahal- SPIN Jaddu- SPIN AR Hardik- pace AR Boom-fast bowler Siraj-fast bowler Mayank- fast bowler Yash Thakur or Harshit Rana - Pace all-rounder Khaleel ( left arm fast) only 4 batsman- virat rohit jaiswal Sky venky iyer ..dube are good batsman and they are slow pacers too in t20 - you need 6 bowlers so one needs pace all-rounders and at least 2 spinners in the 11 pacers - boom siraj mayank are our best yash or harshit are very good as they can bat and bowl too Khaleel is our best left arm pacer ahead of arshdeep Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Posted April 14 Share Posted April 14 (edited) We need to add Shreyas Iyer in WT20 for complete domination. He is also eggsperienced enough Edited April 14 by Lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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