Has South Africa blown up the best chance they will ever get in a final?

[Kron]

57 minutes ago, Majestic said:

The biggest choke has to be that run out of Allan Donald and Lance Klusenar. Absolute comedy!

I am still in shock when I think of it. I never understood what happened. Like how can someone be so clueless. It's like you just dint want to win?? They could have walloped Pakistan in the final. Those mental midgets would choke easily. 

 

I dont get it. Was it fixed? Cronje fixed many games iirc

[Ultimate_Game]

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

whats happening? Any drama @Frustrated @Ultimate_Game?

 

On the SA front? Haven't heard anything. They'll need to revamp the team as some of the players (DeKock, Miller) won't be around for the next tourney, and they'll need to rethink their team composition. They learned the hard way, just like us from earlier losses, that 5 specialist bowlers and a long tail is not the way to go in a tourney. But at least they made progress by dropping that quota pick Bavuma.

Edited July 3, 2024 by Ultimate_Game

[Chaos]

Just now, Ultimate_Game said:

 

On the SA front? Haven't heard anything. They'll need to revamp the team as some of the players (DeKock, Miller) won't be around for the next tourney, and they'll need to rethink their team composition. They learned the hard way, just like us from earlier losses, that 5 specialist bowlers and a long tail is not the way to go in a tourney.

ur fav bowler sidebottom is on!

[Kron]

34 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

On the SA front? Haven't heard anything. They'll need to revamp the team as some of the players (DeKock, Miller) won't be around for the next tourney, and they'll need to rethink their team composition. They learned the hard way, just like us from earlier losses, that 5 specialist bowlers and a long tail is not the way to go in a tourney. But at least they made progress by dropping that quota pick Bavuma.

De kock has a very punchable meek face. No wonder he always chokes. 

 

Miller too lmao. 

 

 

[gattaca]

5 hours ago, Lone Wolf said:

SA produces talent in abundance... A player like Nandre Burger was on bench this WT20.

Watch  out  for David Bedingham as well.  Quality in making.

 

In next 2-3 seasons of SA20 when there is actual money in the coffers of CSA and their system you will see results.

They could leave Poms in the dust in coming 5-6 years.

Would be top contenders for home 2027 ODI WC

 

Talent alone doesn’t win you cups. SA in 1999 has cronje, Gibbs, Cullinan, pollack, Kallis, Klusener, Allan Donald. This is the best squad they had and they were wining but chocked bad. They had 3 proper all rounders and still couldn’t win. The one who can hold nerve and doesn’t choke is going to win. There was no luck that was involved. 

[gattaca]

59 minutes ago, Kron said:

I am still in shock when I think of it. I never understood what happened. Like how can someone be so clueless. It's like you just dint want to win?? They could have walloped Pakistan in the final. Those mental midgets would choke easily. 

 

I dont get it. Was it fixed? Cronje fixed many games iirc

Fixing came much later after this World Cup.

[Lord]

1 hour ago, Kron said:

I am still in shock when I think of it. I never understood what happened. Like how can someone be so clueless. It's like you just dint want to win?? They could have walloped Pakistan in the final. Those mental midgets would choke easily. 

 

I dont get it. Was it fixed? Cronje fixed many games iirc

 

Previous ball they attempted the run but nearly got run out. So maybe that was in the mind. Pressure make one do funny things.

[Kron]

27 minutes ago, Lord said:

 

Previous ball they attempted the run but nearly got run out. So maybe that was in the mind. Pressure make one do funny things.

That was the first time I had access to the 1999 cricket world cup game right after the world cup final lol. Was actually fun back then. 

 

Wonder how games are these days. Barely play anything unless my daughter wants me to for fun. 

[Lord]

Just now, Kron said:

That was the first time I had access to the 1999 cricket world cup game right after the world cup final lol. Was actually fun back then. 

 

Wonder how games are these days. Barely play anything unless my daughter wants me to for fun. 

 

Still same. Graphics might have improved, but main flaw of knowing where its gonna be pitched is still there

[Ultimate_Game]

Just now, Lord said:

 

Previous ball they attempted the run but nearly got run out. So maybe that was in the mind. Pressure make one do funny things.

 

That last over and the runout was so bizarre! They needed 9 runs to win off the last over. The first two deliveries were hit for a 4 and they only needed 1 run off 4 deliveries with Klusener on strike! And the bowler was Damien Fleming, not someone like McGrath.

 

The way they lost their heads and ran like headless chicken defies logic. They still had 2 more deliveries left but the way they ran it looked like it was the last ball of the innings. Despite a mixup the previous delivery Klusener and Donald didn't get together and agree that they'll only run no matter what on the last delivery and for the other deliveries Klusener will try to get the ball away for a boundary or an easy single.

 

It clearly showed their mental failings and looks like things haven't improved much. I empathize with them and hope they get over the line but against someone else.

[Gollum]

This is a damn good squad they have built, will be in contention for next 3-4 years in all white ball tournaments. Just reward merit, don't have quota. Without Bavuma they would have won the Eden semi last year, Markram is 10 times the captain that Bavuma can dream of being. 

[Gollum]

Another underrated choke will be the 2002 CT against us. Gibbs 100, Kallis 90+, coasting to the target, then Yuvi had that great catch to dismiss Gibbs, collapse. 

[Kron]

28 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

That last over and the runout was so bizarre! They needed 9 runs to win off the last over. The first two deliveries were hit for a 4 and they only needed 1 run off 4 deliveries with Klusener on strike! And the bowler was Damien Fleming, not someone like McGrath.

 

The way they lost their heads and ran like headless chicken defies logic. They still had 2 more deliveries left but the way they ran it looked like it was the last ball of the innings. Despite a mixup the previous delivery Klusener and Donald didn't get together and agree that they'll only run no matter what on the last delivery and for the other deliveries Klusener will try to get the ball away for a boundary or an easy single.

 

It clearly showed their mental failings and looks like things haven't improved much. I empathize with them and hope they get over the line but against someone else.

Yea they can win vs someone else. Keep losing to us lol 

 

Australia seem to be the only one capable of beating us in one off final in wc events. 

 

Nz and pak being the other teams where we have lost grand finals in champions trophy. Is champions trophy really a WC level trophy though? I mean does anyone take it seriously? Is it taken seriously? 

 

For me order is

 

1) Away test series wins in sena and or wtc now I guess although that's flawed. Prefer series wins tbh. 

2) odi world cup = t20 world cup

 

T20 is more popular now so equal footing. 

 

3) away series bilateral wins in sena? 

4) champions trophy

5)Asia cup

 

 

[AKane]

Its not just the runout in 1999 .... it was also that dropped catch of Waugh by Gibbs in the earlier match. Now the two put together - I don't think you can plan this. There is some karma in this.

 

Not everything can be explained by science or logic.

 

Edited July 3, 2024 by AKane

[Ultimate_Game]

2 minutes ago, AKane said:

Its not just the runout in 1999 .... it was also that dropped catch of Waugh by Gibbs in the earlier match. Now the two put together - I don't think you can plan this. There is some karma in this.

 

Not everything can be explained by science or logic.

 

 

Great point! That was such a school boyish error. And it was SA's best fielder at the time, Gibbs, who dropped the catch. He didn't even drop it, he was planning to celebrate too early and lost control doing so. That 1999 stuff must be nightmare for them. So many chances in different games and they simply refused to cross the line.

[AKane]

12 minutes ago, Ultimate_Game said:

 

Great point! That was such a school boyish error. And it was SA's best fielder at the time, Gibbs, who dropped the catch. He didn't even drop it, he was planning to celebrate too early and lost control doing so. That 1999 stuff must be nightmare for them. So many chances in different games and they simply refused to cross the line.

For the people saying "it might have been fixed"..... do you really wait to throw a match on a runout on the penultimate ball? It is more likely something more predictable. What if there is a bad misfield by Aus or the ball takes an edge and goes past WK..?

 

I just don't think you can plan 1999. If you want to throw it, just lose by 5 or 10 runs to be on safe side.

Edited July 3, 2024 by AKane

[The Hound]

Yes.... The scar of this bottling will prevent them from winning any ICC trophy for the next 15-20 years at least. 

Edited July 3, 2024 by The Hound

[AKane]

21 minutes ago, The Hound said:

Yes.... The scar of this bottling will prevent them from winning any ICC trophy for the next 15-20 years at least. 

Lets just put it this way - SA are not going to get a situation better than 30 off of 30 balls with 6 wickets in hand in a final no matter Bumrah or  whoever bowling 2 of those overs.

 

They are not going to get an Afghanistan type match for both SF and Finals.

 

So they are just going to have to learn to deal with it. Sometimes you have to get down and dirty and wrest the trophy from the opponent. This time they just had to play normal shots, nothing special was required as the hard work had already been done. They still botched it. Again nobody is going to hand over the trophy to them on a platter the way the Afghans lost the SF.

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, Gollum said:

Another underrated choke will be the 2002 CT against us. Gibbs 100, Kallis 90+, coasting to the target, then Yuvi had that great catch to dismiss Gibbs, collapse. 

That loss was all on Kallis,played such a usual pathetic innings who was supposed to take the responsibility to finish game

Yes,in those days only Bevan was quite renowned to finish games no one else was close

Rhodes had that role but succumbed to Bhajji in that harakiri

[Nikhil_cric]

Their selections and processes have improved a lot since 2022 World T20.  

 

They're on the right path for sure.