Danger of Shubman Gill turning into Indian 'Babar Azam'

[Kron]

4 hours ago, Gollum said:

His captaincy, backing of players (both IPL and in Zim) not only looks crooked, designed for promoting self interests....but also clueless. Who sees any future in Deshpande, Avesh, Mukesh type filth? 

Also he is a trundle lover. He calls fast bowlers medium pacers. For this reason alone he should be removed from captaincy. 

[MumInd]

5 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Dube?

not yet test match proven.....

 

3D player but only two format...

[New guy]

8 hours ago, Suhaan said:

Make no.mistake,he won't be a superstar

He just doesn't have it in him

He's paindoo',much like paxtani players

He will go the KL Rahul way, great talent but too meek and self interested and wants to be media darling. 

[New guy]

4 hours ago, Sandz said:

Rubbish thread.

 

He is least of our problems. Leave him alone.

He is the future so can become a problem very soon, with the previous generation retiring it's good time to push for agressive players over stat padders but he seems same safe, stat padding player. 

[vvvslaxman]

Fear of getting dropped from test side after string of low scores definitely had some psychological impact on him.. He wants to be an all format player. So he is statpadding to stay relevant. Hope selectors and coach communicate clearly what is expected of him. What the brand is. THis is definitely not the brand. I don't question his capability.

[singhvivek141]

Gill at the moment isnt a T20 batter, the sooner folks at power realize the better.

He has the ability though to become a top class ODI and good Test batter.

 

Jaiswal is the only one who has the ability for all 3 formats the way they are supposed to play. He has all the gears, Rinku too has the ability, but I won't try to make a Surya out of him at this moment.

 

Superstar culture should be a thing of past. Just like Bollywood...even cricket should let go of such tags.

[Suhaan]

19 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Gill at the moment isnt a T20 batter, the sooner folks at power realize the better.

He has the ability though to become a top class ODI and good Test batter.

 

Jaiswal is the only one who has the ability for all 3 formats the way they are supposed to play. He has all the gears, Rinku too has the ability, but I won't try to make a Surya out of him at this moment.

 

Superstar culture should be a thing of past. Just like Bollywood...even cricket should let go of such tags.

T20 cricket has changed and will change at rapid rate,

Infact teams across world will very soon  make dedicated T20 squads with atbest 1-2 all format players

And I don't see Gill in the class of Kohli or Rohit,even if you talk about them at Gill's age

[StraightDrive26]

This forum is getting ridiculous. In another year or two there will not be a single Indian player who will be good enough to play for India. Might as well not have a team at all. Leave Shubman alone, what he did in that one Australia tour is more than majority of the players around the world haven't done in their entire careers. He is still young and he will learn and improve. If we keep dropping players like this India will not be the best in the world anytime. Please don't compare Shubman with Babar, Shubman has a SR of 103 in ODIs and 140 in T20Is. Also Shubman surely had no say in selecting this squad? He was not the official Indian team captain, he was just a stand in

[vvvslaxman]

21 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Gill at the moment isnt a T20 batter, the sooner folks at power realize the better.

He has the ability though to become a top class ODI and good Test batter.

 

Jaiswal is the only one who has the ability for all 3 formats the way they are supposed to play. He has all the gears, Rinku too has the ability, but I won't try to make a Surya out of him at this moment.

 

Superstar culture should be a thing of past. Just like Bollywood...even cricket should let go of such tags.

India  has to strike a balance here. You need a core unit that gel with each other. Is Gill part of the core.  By 2018 he was considered to be the best under-19 product ever from INdia. He had impetus batting style of playing shot a ball. That proved to be his nemesis. That impacted consistency. He was in danger of losing Test spot. Now he has become more circumspect in order to achieve consistency. That habit has spilled over to other formats. That is fine for ODIs. For T20s he has to expand his range. He is a hard worker by all accounts. He can find a way to shine in all 3 formats.

[singhvivek141]

3 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

T20 cricket has changed and will change at rapid rate,

Infact teams across world will very soon  make dedicated T20 squads with atbest 1-2 all format players

And I don't see Gill in the class of Kohli or Rohit,even if you talk about them at Gill's age

Gill don't need to be like Kohli or Rohit.

 

Rohit & Kohli played mostly is the era where they had the liberty or "excuse" to take their time because supposedly the MO was weak and our batting depth was severely compromised.

 

Our deep batting depth played a key role in this T20 WC. That impact sooner or later will spillover to other white ball format as well. Bowlers who can bat till no 9 is going to be the norm as the pitches becomes flatter.

 

If others around Gill will start to play positively, he will surely feel the pressure to buckle up quickly. Already he is feeling the heat as Jaiswal has leapfrogged him and Abhishek/Ruturaj are at his neck in T20's/ODI's.

[singhvivek141]

5 minutes ago, vvvslaxman said:

India  has to strike a balance here. You need a core unit that gel with each other. Is Gill part of the core.  By 2018 he was considered to be the best under-19 product ever from INdia. He had impetus batting style of playing shot a ball. That proved to be his nemesis. That impacted consistency. He was in danger of losing Test spot. Now he has become more circumspect in order to achieve consistency. That habit has spilled over to other formats. That is fine for ODIs. For T20s he has to expand his range. He is a hard worker by all accounts. He can find a way to shine in all 3 formats.

I am frankly not a fan of playing all 3 formats. 2 formats should be the lock-in. More players in the rotation and it will give us options if we meet any unforeseen situations of too many injuries.

 

But I understand for BCCI it will be too much of a hassle to maintain so many players.

[Suhaan]

20 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Gill don't need to be like Kohli or Rohit.

 

Rohit & Kohli played mostly is the era where they had the liberty or "excuse" to take their time because supposedly the MO was weak and our batting depth was severely compromised.

 

Our deep batting depth played a key role in this T20 WC. That impact sooner or later will spillover to other white ball format as well. Bowlers who can bat till no 9 is going to be the norm as the pitches becomes flatter.

 

If others around Gill will start to play positively, he will surely feel the pressure to buckle up quickly. Already he is feeling the heat as Jaiswal has leapfrogged him and Abhishek/Ruturaj are at his neck in T20's/ODI's.

But given for his current ability and unfairly and continuously bestowed with power he can limit the number of threats like he did this in this tour by pushing Abhishek down the order immediately after he scored that ton

 

 

Edited July 17, 2024 by Suhaan

[singhvivek141]

42 minutes ago, Suhaan said:

But given for his current ability and unfairly and continuously bestowed with power he can limit the number of threats like he did this in this tour by pushing Abhishek down the order immediately after he scored that ton

 

 

Yeah it was unfortunate, but one thing we are forgetting that Laxman was a temporary coach. Hence he did just the bare minimum to win the series and the control was with captain 100%.

 

When we will have a long term coach. I think there will be more say and Gill won't get such free hand.

[raki05]

12 hours ago, Gollum said:

His captaincy, backing of players (both IPL and in Zim) not only looks crooked, designed for promoting self interests....but also clueless. Who sees any future in Deshpande, Avesh, Mukesh type filth? 

This Gill shouldn’t open atleast in t20. In ideal world he should try to occupy kohli position, i believe Gambhir will not allow this **** where he replaced Abhishek from opening slot. Abhishek and Jaiswal should open the inning in all LOI formats. Also Kela shouldn’t be in any loi team let alone be captain.

[Zero_Unit]

I don't support 1 captain for 3 format as we saw with Kohli. It created some major sheet hole drama and what not in our cricket. 3 format, 3 captain, less drama, less power in the captains hand to go on ego trip. 

 

Babar Azam as op pointed out is totally and royally screwing pak cricket left and right. We see similarities with all Asian teams when they are given captaincy for all 3 format. Shakib was another good example when he was the captain for all 3 format. Hasaranga would have probably inherited all 3 format captaincy too had he not retired in test, and as we all witnessed the ego level of his went off the roof after getting captaincy. 

[Suhaan]

10 minutes ago, raki05 said:

This Gill shouldn’t open atleast in t20. In ideal world he should try to occupy kohli position, i believe Gambhir will not allow this **** where he replaced Abhishek from opening slot. Abhishek and Jaiswal should open the inning in all LOI formats. Also Kela shouldn’t be in any loi team let alone be captain.

Yes,but Abhishek is yet to prove himself in Odis though

There is no evidence of him being an ideal partner for loi opening with Jaiswal

For that he needs to play FC

But he should get a fair run in t20s as he had a good IPL and T20 domestic season plus he can give few overs ,he deserves his place as an opener in t20s surely

Sai Sudarshan is also one guy who can do a good job in Odis as opener and Gill as no.3

[deepdynamo]

Gill is insecure in T20I.
Jaiswal and Abhishek should open for India. No brainers.
Sky, Pant, Hardik, Rinku are sure shot in the middle.

That leaves only the anchor role - straight shootout with Gaikwad.

 

[Gollum]

McCullum called out his mindset for T20s when he was in KKR, basically his safe/selfish batting style. Remember many reports/interviews from that time.

 

Shubman Gill & Nitish Rana are suffocated by their insecurities.
They have to avoid playing the safe game coz there are 100s of batsmen available in India to do that.
If top order can turn it around then only KKR has a slight chance at semi finals. : Brendon McCullum (KKR coach) pic.twitter.com/ppoUJChpsl

— (@StarkAditya_) May 31, 2021

But what was specially worrisome in recent Zim series was his decision to stat pad and demote Abhishek after that 40 ball 100. Rarely do you see such shamelessness, and here was a young captain doing precisely that, trying to eliminate competition. Big red flag. 

[spiritb2]

Gill shouldn't be near T20I team & Kela Rahul shouldn't be near any Indian team. But both of them getting captaincy stint. Unfortunate

Edited July 17, 2024 by spiritb2

[TellTheTruth]

At the risk of sounding like kl rajul I think strike rate is over rated in t20 cricket. If you look back histroically at t20 finals the winning teams don't have top order batsman smashing 20 ball 50s. It's normally someone playing the marlon Samuel's role of scoring a slowish 50 and some timely lower order hitting. More important then top order strike rate is batting depth and not running out of batsman in the slog overs. As great as bumrah is, SA lost because mashrav and Jansen faced too many deliveries and because arshdeep and bumrah took early wickets. Had SA had wickets in hand or if they had more batting depth even bumrah wouldnt have been able to save India that day. Even if strike rate of the openers is the most important thing  for t20 cricket our selfish  batsman have strike rates of around 140 which is as good as any other team.