"I'm going to say 3-1 to Australia" - Ricky Ponting backs the Aussies to win the Border-Gavaskar Trophy

[R!TTER]

24 minutes ago, Lord said:

eh? Jadeja scored a ton from tough position IIRC. Kuldeep is at best Bumrah level as batsman. Just like we play one less seamer in India, we need to play one less spinner in Aus and that has to be one who cant offer much else. Sad for Kuldeep but he comes in only when we are playing 2 spinners in places like SCG 

Really? Did you not watch the Eng series?

Primary team India

Start of match date between 10 Jan 2024 and 1 Aug 2024

Batting position between 5 and 11

Qualifications balls faced greater than or equal to 200

Ordered by batting average (descending)

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
DC Jurel	3	4	1	190	90	63.33	354	53.67	0	1	0	12	7
SN Khan	3	5	1	200	68*	50.00	252	79.36	0	3	1	24	5
RA Jadeja	4	6	0	232	112	38.66	520	44.61	1	1	0	16	6
AR Patel	2	4	0	133	45	33.25	277	48.01	0	0	0	20	1
Kuldeep Yadav	4	6	1	97	30	19.40	362	26.79	0	0	1	7	1
R Ashwin	5	7	0	116	37	16.57	300	38.66	0	0	1	14	1

 

If it weren't for Kuldeep's 2-3 crucial partnerships in the last few tests we would've lost! Jadeja was better overall but Kuldeep was the best batter after Jurel in the LO, check the number of balls he faced or balls/innings 

 

Bumrah is nowhere near Kuldeep as a proper bat 

[Lord]

Just now, R!TTER said:

Really? Did you not watch the Eng series?

Primary team India

Start of match date between 10 Jan 2024 and 1 Aug 2024

Batting position between 5 and 11

Qualifications balls faced greater than or equal to 200

Ordered by batting average (descending)

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
DC Jurel	3	4	1	190	90	63.33	354	53.67	0	1	0	12	7
SN Khan	3	5	1	200	68*	50.00	252	79.36	0	3	1	24	5
RA Jadeja	4	6	0	232	112	38.66	520	44.61	1	1	0	16	6
AR Patel	2	4	0	133	45	33.25	277	48.01	0	0	0	20	1
Kuldeep Yadav	4	6	1	97	30	19.40	362	26.79	0	0	1	7	1
R Ashwin	5	7	0	116	37	16.57	300	38.66	0	0	1	14	1

 

If it weren't for Kuldeep's 2-3 crucial partnerships in the last few tests we would've lost! Jadeja was better overall but Kuldeep was the best batter after Jurel in the LO, check the number of balls he faced or balls/innings 

 

Bumrah is nowhere near Kuldeep as a proper bat 

 

Yes Kuldeep was best among the tail, thats what I meant only.

 

Bumrah is a decent bat too, ask Broad and Anderson

[Majestic]

20 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

Really? Did you not watch the Eng series?

Primary team India

Start of match date between 10 Jan 2024 and 1 Aug 2024

Batting position between 5 and 11

Qualifications balls faced greater than or equal to 200

Ordered by batting average (descending)

Overall figures

Player	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
DC Jurel	3	4	1	190	90	63.33	354	53.67	0	1	0	12	7
SN Khan	3	5	1	200	68*	50.00	252	79.36	0	3	1	24	5
RA Jadeja	4	6	0	232	112	38.66	520	44.61	1	1	0	16	6
AR Patel	2	4	0	133	45	33.25	277	48.01	0	0	0	20	1
Kuldeep Yadav	4	6	1	97	30	19.40	362	26.79	0	0	1	7	1
R Ashwin	5	7	0	116	37	16.57	300	38.66	0	0	1	14	1

 

If it weren't for Kuldeep's 2-3 crucial partnerships in the last few tests we would've lost! Jadeja was better overall but Kuldeep was the best batter after Jurel in the LO, check the number of balls he faced or balls/innings 

 

Bumrah is nowhere near Kuldeep as a proper bat 

Believe me, Kuldeep can bat a bit in India but against tall fast Australian pacers on bouncy pitches, he would stand no chance with bat.

[Majestic]

29 minutes ago, Prabhdeep Singh said:

Rohit (C)

Jaiswal

Gill

Kohli

Pant (WK)

KL

R Jadeja

?

Shami

Bumrah

?

We need Siraj back in form and one more quality pacer to ensure rotation is there.

 

As for spinners, I think in Sydney and Melbourne ,we can have both Jadeja and Kuldeep. In Perth, Adelaide and Brisbane, we need a 4th pacer that can bat well. 

[R!TTER]

4 minutes ago, Majestic said:

Believe me, Kuldeep can bat a bit in India but against tall fast Australian pacers on bouncy pitches, he would stand no chance with bat.

You can say that about Jadeja as well, or any tailender from the lower order. Despite his one over heroics vs Broad do you want to see Bumrah's avg outside in SA/Oz/NZ or Eng?

[R!TTER]

If you're counting his record outside Asia as a batter then really only Jadeja has a semi decent set of achievements for anyone batting 5 or below.

Primary team India

Opposition team Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or South Africa

Home or away away (home of opposition)

Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2010

Batting position between 5 and 11

Qualifications innings batted greater than or equal to 30

Ordered by batting average (descending)

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
RR Pant	2018-2022	20	37	3	1381	159*	40.61	1997	69.15	4	4	2	147	25
AM Rahane	2013-2022	32	60	3	1907	147	33.45	3906	48.82	3	11	5	233	9
RA Jadeja	2013-2024	19	32	4	853	104	30.46	1551	54.99	1	5	3	105	10
MS Dhoni	2010-2014	21	40	3	1122	90	30.32	2001	56.07	0	9	4	150	10
R Ashwin	2011-2023	24	47	7	825	62	20.62	1371	60.17	0	2	4	104	5
Mohammed Shami	2013-2022	32	57	13	433	56*	9.84	657	65.90	0	2	14	52	8
JJ Bumrah	2018-2024	25	40	14	202	34*	7.76	412	49.02	0	0	14	23	6
I Sharma	2010-2021	34	60	14	237	16	5.15	848	27.94	0	0	15	27	0

 

Even Ashwin's numbers are super poor post 2014/15 (Oz tour) or so.

Primary team India

Opposition team Australia  or England  or New Zealand  or South Africa

Home or away away (home of opposition)

Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2016

Batting position between 5 and 11

Qualifications innings batted greater than or equal to 20

Ordered by batting average (descending)

Overall figures

Player	Span	Mat	Inns	NO	Runs	HS	Ave	BF	SR	100	50	0	4s	6s
RR Pant	2018-2022	20	37	3	1381	159*	40.61	1997	69.15	4	4	2	147	25
AM Rahane	2018-2022	19	35	0	838	81	23.94	1997	41.96	0	5	3	90	5
R Ashwin	2018-2023	15	29	3	425	46	16.34	756	56.21	0	0	3	59	1
Mohammed Shami	2018-2022	22	40	7	279	56*	8.45	419	66.58	0	1	11	33	5
JJ Bumrah	2018-2024	25	40	14	202	34*	7.76	412	49.02	0	0	14	23	6
I Sharma	2018-2021	13	23	4	112	16	5.89	349	32.09	0	0	5	14	0

 

Edited August 13, 2024 by R!TTER

[Majestic]

3 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

You can say that about Jadeja as well, or any tailender from the lower order. Despite his one over heroics vs Broad do you want to see Bumrah's avg outside in SA/Oz/NZ or Eng?

Jadeja is a proper all rounder and proven player. He scored a brilliant 57 in Melbourne and averages 40+ with bat in Australia.

 

Kuldeep's batting is tailender-esque, the one shot he like to play a lot is drive on the up vs pace but outside Asia, such shots are exactly what bowlers want you to play. Bumrah is a tailender himself, what is there to look at his average? The 35 he got vs Broad in one over was a fluke, that's it.

[R!TTER]

So why are you bringing his batting vs other tailenders? At least he has a proper technique to survive, who among the others can you say that? And don't tell me you suddenly don't rate technique 

[Majestic]

4 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

So why are you bringing his batting vs other tailenders? At least he has a proper technique to survive, who among the others can you say that? And don't tell me you suddenly don't rate technique 

Who are you comparing Kuldeep with, understand the context. This is about Australia tour and we have to pick three best pacers purely on bowling, even though they maybe tailenders with bat. Kuldeep's competition is with Jadeja, Ashwin, Axar, Sundar etc and there are only one or two spot available for that. 

 

If we play Jadeja or Sundar at 7, it allows us to pick 4 pacers from #8-11.

 

In Sydney and Melbourne, we can play two spinners, out of which one has to be all rounder, i.e. Jadeja or Sundar and the other spinner can be a choice between Ashwin and Kuldeep. Rest will depend on form of the players that we will get to know in Oct -Nov.

 

 

 

 

 

[Bigg Brother]

Unreal to expect India win 3rd consecutive series in Australia. Hope it's not whitewash.

[R!TTER]

10 minutes ago, Majestic said:

This is about Australia tour and we have to pick three best pacers purely on bowling, even though they maybe tailenders with bat.

No we need someone competent with the bat, at least at no.9 - what was the difference between 2018 Eng tour or say 2021 Oz tour with similar strengths at our disposal? The reason Eng won that series was because Curran batted at 7/8 & we won because of Sundar/Thakur at 8-9 or so. A serviceable bowler is fine but we cannot have absolute duds with the bat at 9-11  

 

And by bowler I mean any bowler even a spinner!

Edited August 13, 2024 by R!TTER

[Majestic]

29 minutes ago, R!TTER said:

No we need someone competent with the bat, at least at no.9 - what was the difference between 2018 Eng tour or say 2021 Oz tour with similar strengths at our disposal? The reason Eng won that series was because Curran batted at 7/8 & we won because of Sundar/Thakur at 8-9 or so. A serviceable bowler is fine but we cannot have absolute duds with the bat at 9-11  

 

And by bowler I mean any bowler even a spinner!

The obvious question that comes out is do we have any pacer who is a proper bat and we can play at 7?

 

The answer is No. We have a spinner who is a proper bat and that is Jadeja.

 

That leaves us with #8-11. I would like to have 4 pacers in venues like Brisbane and Perth. In Sydney and Melbourne, we can play one of kuldeep or Ashwin alongwith Jadeja. Ashwin can bat at 8 while Kuldeep is at best a no.9. 

 

In Adelaide which will be a pink ball test, India can actually play 7 batsman + 4 bowlers because the pink ball will assist the bowlers.

 

So, to conclude, I would say, in Perth and Brisbane, go with 4 pacers + 1 all rounder ( Jadeja/Sundar are the only viable options currently and both are spinners).

 

In Sydney and Melbourne, go with 3 pacers + 1 spinner + 1 all rounder.

 

In Adelaide pink ball test, play 7 batsman + 4 bowlers.

Edited August 13, 2024 by Majestic

[Chaos]

Punter u r from 3-1 idia

[R!TTER]

52 minutes ago, Majestic said:

The obvious question that comes out is do we have any pacer who is a proper bat and we can play at 7?

 

The answer is No. We have a spinner who is a proper bat and that is Jadeja.

 

That leaves us with #8-11. I would like to have 4 pacers in venues like Brisbane and Perth. In Sydney and Melbourne, we can play one of kuldeep or Ashwin alongwith Jadeja. Ashwin can bat at 8 while Kuldeep is at best a no.9. 

 

In Adelaide which will be a pink ball test, India can actually play 7 batsman + 4 bowlers because the pink ball will assist the bowlers.

 

So, to conclude, I would say, in Perth and Brisbane, go with 4 pacers + 1 all rounder ( Jadeja/Sundar are the only viable options currently and both are spinners).

 

In Sydney and Melbourne, go with 3 pacers + 1 spinner + 1 all rounder.

 

In Adelaide pink ball test, play 7 batsman + 4 bowlers.

It will depend on the pitches, the "venues" don't really matter as such. Traditionally Sydney was the most spin friendly surface in Oz in the last 30-40 years but it has also changes massively post 2010's as in a lot less spin friendly. Did you see the NZ tracks in their series vs Oz & then what they serve us? If the pitches are drier spin will be a major factor on days 3-5 but the question is can we stretch games that far? Take any major series wins by away teams over last 20 years & the best teams have always lasted a good 4-5 days in all tests. If we get surfaces that can aid spin towards the end of the test we should not hesitate to pick 2 spinners, or 3 if it's really going to be turning square!

Edited August 13, 2024 by R!TTER

[Sgattick10]

This could be our 11

Rohit

Jaiswal

Gill

Kohli

KL

Pant

Jadeja

Harshit

Bumrah

Shami

Akash Deep

[vvvslaxman]

There is an uncertainty about this batting line up. Pant post injury is not quiet the same. Gujarat used to take the blow on to his body  knowing any attempt to lplay will coat his wicket. Current team is full of stroke players. They will give you chances. Not saying we want pujara. But need someone who can show temperament.

[bowl_out]

8 hours ago, Prabhdeep Singh said:

Rohit (C)

Jaiswal

Gill

Kohli

Pant (WK)

KL

R Jadeja

?

Shami

Bumrah

?

Probably Sundar at 8. 

They'll pick Siraj at 11. Wish Mayank gets match fit and plays 1-2 matches

[First class]

A fit Shami, with Bhumra and Siraj make a very good pace attack , at par with Aussies but in their own condition Aussies will have an edge in batting as Kohli is not at his peak anymore . Jaiswal can announce himself as the best young batter in the world and has great chance to have a very successful tour. 

Finally a very competitive test series , great for the cricket purests like me .  

[First class]

A fit Shami, with Bhumra and Siraj make a very good pace attack , at par with Aussies but in their own condition Aussies will have an edge in batting as Kohli is not at his peak anymore . Jaiswal can announce himself as the best young batter in the world and has great chance to have a very successful tour. 

Finally a very competitive test series , great for the cricket purests like me .  

[Stan AF]

Unless otherwise injuries or some freak reason , India will win 3(atleast 2)test matches if they go in with full strength.