Nikhil_cric Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) Looks like Rohit is going to captain in the Champions Trophy and with Bumrah and Siraj having niggles, Shami unlikely to recover in time and Kuldeep's post injury bowling fitness not assured, how badly will India get beaten at yet another ICC event? The odd Test series' loss can be forgiven considering the side is in transition. But flopping in an ICC event at a time when India has a lot of white ball riches would be much worse imo Edited January 5 by Nikhil_cric Link to comment
Lord Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 On topic, I expect things to be bit better in ODIs. Rohit himself maybe able to contribute in powerplay and GG also seems more of whiteball coach Link to comment
lemsip Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 The champions trophy is irrelevant in the scheme of things and the only way India will get anything out of it will be pure fluke. Even Pakistan are looking like a much stronger ODI side at the moment. Anyway it is a dying format and nothing from playing 50 over games in Dubai will tell you anything about the prospects in England in June. I'd throw in a bunch of new players in and see what happens. It is probably a good opportunity to get Shami into the swing of things again after a long layoff from international cricket. There is nothing to be gained by using the same tired faces to pack the side. nitinbwj, Vijy and Lord 2 1 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 10 minutes ago, Lord said: Siraj needs some rest man Yes being the consistent disappointment, he definitely needs one Opposition team Afghanistan or Australia or Bangladesh or England or India or Ireland or New Zealand or Pakistan or South Africa or Sri Lanka or West Indies or Zimbabwe Start of match date greater than or equal to 1 Jan 2023 Type of bowler (by style) pace bowler or mixture/unknown Qualifications wickets taken greater than or equal to 80 Ordered by overs bowled (descending) Overall figures Player Span Mat Inns Overs Mdns Runs Wkts BBI BBM Ave Econ SR 5 10 PJ Cummins (AUS) 2023-2025 41 59 769.2 89 2993 112 6/91 10/97 26.72 3.89 41.2 5 1 MA Starc (AUS) 2023-2025 43 60 719.1 85 3334 108 6/48 8/108 30.87 4.63 39.9 3 0 MJ Henry (NZ) 2023-2025 45 57 669.1 114 2642 113 7/67 9/161 23.38 3.94 35.5 3 0 Mohammed Siraj (IND) 2023-2025 54 70 664.3 101 2786 99 6/15 7/46 28.14 4.19 40.2 3 0 JR Hazlewood (AUS) 2023-2024 44 56 602.3 104 2410 98 5/31 9/79 24.59 4.00 36.8 3 0 AS Joseph (WI) 2023-2024 55 65 562.0 35 3145 106 5/40 7/111 29.66 5.59 31.8 2 0 JJ Bumrah (IND) 2023-2025 40 52 547.1 107 1835 122 6/45 9/91 15.04 3.35 26.9 5 0 Shaheen Shah Afridi (PAK) 2023-2024 57 62 530.0 46 2755 112 5/54 6/161 24.59 5.19 28.3 1 0 K Rabada (SA) 2023-2025 35 47 503.2 81 1944 94 6/46 9/72 20.68 3.86 32.1 4 0 Taskin Ahmed (BAN) 2023-2024 54 58 420.0 35 2075 104 6/64 8/140 19.95 4.94 24.2 1 0 D Madushanka (SL) 2023-2024 33 66 410.4 24 2854 92 5/80 5/80 31.02 6.94 26.7 2 0 Haris Rauf (PAK) 2023-2024 48 48 293.0 8 1944 83 5/18 5/18 23.42 6.63 21.1 2 0 Lord 1 Link to comment
Lord Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 6 minutes ago, lemsip said: The champions trophy is irrelevant in the scheme of things and the only way India will get anything out of it will be pure fluke. Even Pakistan are looking like a much stronger ODI side at the moment. Anyway it is a dying format and nothing from playing 50 over games in Dubai will tell you anything about the prospects in England in June. I'd throw in a bunch of new players in and see what happens. It is probably a good opportunity to get Shami into the swing of things again after a long layoff from international cricket. There is nothing to be gained by using the same tired faces to pack the side. Why Shami? we need to use this to build for 2027 express bowling 1 Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 7 minutes ago, lemsip said: The champions trophy is irrelevant in the scheme of things and the only way India will get anything out of it will be pure fluke. Even Pakistan are looking like a much stronger ODI side at the moment. Anyway it is a dying format and nothing from playing 50 over games in Dubai will tell you anything about the prospects in England in June. I'd throw in a bunch of new players in and see what happens. It is probably a good opportunity to get Shami into the swing of things again after a long layoff from international cricket. There is nothing to be gained by using the same tired faces to pack the side. Why is this even used as a benchmark for our prospects in June? This about white ball cricket only. And an ICC event is something that needs focus . Test cricket is dying pretty much everywhere but that doesn't mean we shouldnt give it any importance Master_better and Adamant 2 Link to comment
lemsip Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Just now, Lord said: Why Shami? we need to use this to build for 2027 Because he could be useful as a backup in England otherwise we will have a shortage of complements for bumrah when needed. Before his operation he offered control and a cutting edge. He has been playing the format for few months now and this is a good opportunity so see where he stands after a long layoff and rest. It's not a long term solution but he could do a specific role in England as a backup bowler if he is still able to bowl with his old control. If he looks to be past it in the CT, dump him and move on. It's a low risk trial. Link to comment
lemsip Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 4 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: Why is this even used as a benchmark for our prospects in June? Not a benchmark. The next big test for Indian cricket is the England test series..big crowds, strong opposition and an Indian team playing in alien conditions. very similar to the BGT. The CT is a jamboree organised sporadically only for milking the commercial value of an India Pakistan match. It has no other significance or impact. India can roll out the same tired team of Rohit, Virat etc etc if they want and I guess that will be the default and will please the organisers due to the commercial value of brand exposure. WIll it tell you anything you don't know or help develop Indian cricket in any way ? I was just thinking of any crumbs of value that can be extracted from this event in improving the health of Indian cricket in the longer formats. Link to comment
bowl_out Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 (edited) We don't know who our openers are, what our middle order is, who our keeper is, who our fast bowlers are. Only thing we know is that our "superstars" will play. Great!!! Edited January 5 by bowl_out express bowling 1 Link to comment
Lord Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 12 minutes ago, lemsip said: Because he could be useful as a backup in England otherwise we will have a shortage of complements for bumrah when needed. Before his operation he offered control and a cutting edge. He has been playing the format for few months now and this is a good opportunity so see where he stands after a long layoff and rest. It's not a long term solution but he could do a specific role in England as a backup bowler if he is still able to bowl with his old control. If he looks to be past it in the CT, dump him and move on. It's a low risk trial. Shami is old and anyway never done that well in England. We need to back the pacers we have. Link to comment
Lord Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 5 minutes ago, bowl_out said: We don't know who our openers are, what our middle order is, who our keeper is, who our fast bowlers are. Only thing we know is that our "superstars" will play. Great!!! openers Rohit and Gill/Jaiswal Link to comment
lemsip Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 4 minutes ago, New guy said: Will probably lose to Pakistan. I think a loss to Bangladesh is also possible especially if Rohit/Kohli/Gill show up in Dubai straight after the Australia shellacking. I wouldn't mind that if it finally forces the BCCI babus to take stronger action in sorting out team selection, management structure and personnel longer term. Link to comment
CG Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 42 minutes ago, lemsip said: The champions trophy is irrelevant in the scheme of things and the only way India will get anything out of it will be pure fluke. Even Pakistan are looking like a much stronger ODI side at the moment. Anyway it is a dying format and nothing from playing 50 over games in Dubai will tell you anything about the prospects in England in June. I'd throw in a bunch of new players in and see what happens. It is probably a good opportunity to get Shami into the swing of things again after a long layoff from international cricket. There is nothing to be gained by using the same tired faces to pack the side. 23 minutes ago, lemsip said: Not a benchmark. The next big test for Indian cricket is the England test series..big crowds, strong opposition and an Indian team playing in alien conditions. very similar to the BGT. The CT is a jamboree organised sporadically only for milking the commercial value of an India Pakistan match. It has no other significance or impact. India can roll out the same tired team of Rohit, Virat etc etc if they want and I guess that will be the default and will please the organisers due to the commercial value of brand exposure. WIll it tell you anything you don't know or help develop Indian cricket in any way ? I was just thinking of any crumbs of value that can be extracted from this event in improving the health of Indian cricket in the longer formats. Dont kid yourself Most indian cricket public does not care about tests,Players know,BCCI Knows Icc champions trophy is more imp than england test series to masses. Norman, Chalks, Adamant and 1 other 2 2 Link to comment
R!TTER Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 Most of the stupid *s don't care about intl cricket these days, they care more about IPL fake brands nitinbwj and lemsip 1 1 Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 According to a TimesNow article , all of Rohit, Kohli, KL, Iyer, Gill , Jadeja will be selected for the Champions Trophy. We are in for an epic humiliation if that's the case. Frustrated, The Hound, nitinbwj and 2 others 1 3 1 Link to comment
Nikhil_cric Posted January 5 Author Share Posted January 5 17 minutes ago, CG said: Dont kid yourself Most indian cricket public does not care about tests,Players know,BCCI Knows Icc champions trophy is more imp than england test series to masses. This. These long Test series will be used as an excuse for underperformance in white ball cricket. Reality is we are never going to be an Australia level (1995-2005) dominant red ball side despite all the rhetoric from the likes of Kohli. We can't afford to suck at Test cricket and white ball cricket at the same time. Link to comment
bowl_out Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 3 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said: According to a TimesNow article , all of Rohit, Kohli, KL, Iyer, Gill , Jadeja will be selected for the Champions Trophy. We are in for an epic humiliation if that's the case. So basically same team that lost on Nov 19 Nikhil_cric 1 Link to comment
lemsip Posted January 5 Share Posted January 5 1 minute ago, bowl_out said: So basically same team that lost on Nov 19 Minus Bumrah so a thrashing is even more likely. Link to comment
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