What is your OPINION about homosexuality?

[Alam_dar]

Do you believe that homosexuals are capable of experiencing love? Or do you see homosexuality as unnatural and something that should be prohibited?

As a Muslim, I once harboured a deep aversion to homosexuality. We were taught that homosexuality was among the gravest sins—considered even worse than having sex with mom and sisters. 

 

Three things stood out as the most hated concepts in our upbringing:

1. Jews
2. Homosexuality
3. Hindus

 

Interestingly, Indian Bollywood movies played a significant role in reducing the animosity toward Hindus. These films humanized Hindus by depicting them as people with values, love, and respect for others. This helped foster a sense of connection and reduced the ingrained hatred. For that, I am grateful to Bollywood.

However, there was no similar medium or effort that could diminish the hostility toward Jews or homosexuality. Homosexuality exists within Pakistani society, but its presence has not softened societal attitudes.

 

Jews were regarded as the most despised group, primarily because we had no real interaction with them. The lack of direct engagement prevented us from seeing them as ordinary human beings.

 

(When I say “we,” I am referring to ex-Muslims; this shared perspective was common among us.)

 

After leaving Islam, I began to educate myself about homosexuality and came to understand that it is natural. My intellectual stance on the issue shifted significantly. However, the emotional reaction—the deeply ingrained disgust—remained.

 

It took me several more years to overcome that lingering sense of revulsion. This journey taught me a profound lesson: childhood indoctrination is so powerful that even knowledge and education can struggle to undo its effects.

 

I noticed a similar challenge when it came to pork or even non-halal chicken. Despite abandoning Islam, overcoming the deep-seated aversion toward them was not easy. 

[ravishingravi]

It's non issue in hindu culture. 

[Alam_dar]

8 minutes ago, ravishingravi said:

It's non issue in hindu culture. 

 

Non-issue? Really? I am surprised. 

Edited January 20 by Alam_dar

[coffee_rules]

29 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

Non-issue? Really? I am surprised. 

Listen to Premanandji

 

 

[Gollum]

Don't care or have an opinion (positive or negative) unless my immediate family member comes out. That will be a challenge, if such a day were to come. Always easy to say non-issue, support LGBTQ etc. but that mindset is easier to have when observed from a distance. 

[AuxiliA]

3 minutes ago, Gollum said:

Don't care or have an opinion (positive or negative) unless my immediate family member comes out. That will be a challenge, if such a day were to come. Always easy to say non-issue, support LGBTQ etc. but that mindset is easier to have when observed from a distance. 

 

 

In India/Hinduism Homosexuality is neither penalised like in Abrahaminic religions nor promoted like by the stupid wokes. We sweep it under the carpet, as should be done in such cases. 

 

Homosexuality should be treated as a disability lol. You should never make fun of or abuse people with disabilities but it also shouldn't be glorified or in your face promoted either.

 

Homosexuality is an exception not the norm. How a family deals with a homosexual family member is a personal matter and subjective. There's no one size fits all. 

 

[coffee_rules]

Don’t ask don’t tell , what you do in private. I don’t want to know what is your bedroom or bathroom habits. Who you sleep with or if you use paper or water to clean yourself. 

[Alam_dar]

 

3 hours ago, AuxiliA said:

Homosexuality should be treated as a disability lol. 

 

Is homosexuality natural, or if it is a disease?

 

Does disability mean DISEASE, which should be TREATED medically, psychologically, and by religious spells? 

 

 

3 hours ago, AuxiliA said:

How a family deals with a homosexual family member is a personal matter and subjective.

 

Then the conclusion becomes:

• Abrahamic religions and Hinduism all consider homosexuality to be not natural, but a disease. 
• The difference is dealing with it on state level or dealing with it on family level. 

 

 

3 hours ago, AuxiliA said:

You should never make fun of or abuse people with disabilities but it also shouldn't be glorified or in your face promoted either.

 

I am a supporter of homosexual people. Let me tell you how my mind reacted after reading it. My mind immediately countered it by telling me: "There was a time when people were against glorifying the Feminist Movement too, as they thought that their respective religions gave women complete rights and complete security and there is nothing which feminist movement could offer to women."

 

Your solution will meet challenges to provide the complete package. For example: 

• If a person will decide himself if he is homosexual or not, or if his family is going to decide it for him?
• If family agrees, will the homosexual person get the right to marry to his partner? Or this will also be decided by his family? 
• Will the family get the right to compel the homosexual person to undergo THERAPY for his/her disease? 

 

1 hour ago, coffee_rules said:

Don’t ask don’t tell , what you do in private. I don’t want to know what is your bedroom or bathroom habits. Who you sleep with or if you use paper or water to clean yourself. 

 

 

I wonder if it is a comprehensive solution. 

Sex may be private, but living a LIFE with a partner and showing affection and love and having family is public. 

People marry, invite other people to have social bonding, and such ceremonies cannot be kept private. 

[Muloghonto]

51 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

 

Is homosexuality natural, or if it is a disease?

 

Does disability mean DISEASE, which should be TREATED medically, psychologically, and by religious spells? 

 

 

 

Then the conclusion becomes:

• Abrahamic religions and Hinduism all consider homosexuality to be not natural, but a disease. 
• The difference is dealing with it on state level or dealing with it on family level. 

 

 

 

I am a supporter of homosexual people. Let me tell you how my mind reacted after reading it. My mind immediately countered it by telling me: "There was a time when people were against glorifying the Feminist Movement too, as they thought that their respective religions gave women complete rights and complete security and there is nothing which feminist movement could offer to women."

 

Your solution will meet challenges to provide the complete package. For example: 

• If a person will decide himself if he is homosexual or not, or if his family is going to decide it for him?
• If family agrees, will the homosexual person get the right to marry to his partner? Or this will also be decided by his family? 
• Will the family get the right to compel the homosexual person to undergo THERAPY for his/her disease? 

 

 

 

I wonder if it is a comprehensive solution. 

Sex may be private, but living a LIFE with a partner and showing affection and love and having family is public. 

People marry, invite other people to have social bonding, and such ceremonies cannot be kept private. 

retarded liberal, for your conclusion to be correct that hinduism and abrahamic religions consider homosexuality to be unnatural, there has to be hindu scriptural sanction AGAINST homosexuality. Not what some random hindu thinks thanks to abrahamic religious influence. So kindly show us the said hindu scriptural sanction against homosexuality.

 

[AuxiliA]

2 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

 

Is homosexuality natural, or if it is a disease?

 

Does disability mean DISEASE, which should be TREATED medically, psychologically, and by religious spells? 

 

 

 

Then the conclusion becomes:

• Abrahamic religions and Hinduism all consider homosexuality to be not natural, but a disease. 
• The difference is dealing with it on state level or dealing with it on family level. 

 

 

 

I am a supporter of homosexual people. Let me tell you how my mind reacted after reading it. My mind immediately countered it by telling me: "There was a time when people were against glorifying the Feminist Movement too, as they thought that their respective religions gave women complete rights and complete security and there is nothing which feminist movement could offer to women."

 

Your solution will meet challenges to provide the complete package. For example: 

• If a person will decide himself if he is homosexual or not, or if his family is going to decide it for him?
• If family agrees, will the homosexual person get the right to marry to his partner? Or this will also be decided by his family? 
• Will the family get the right to compel the homosexual person to undergo THERAPY for his/her disease? 

 

 

 

I wonder if it is a comprehensive solution. 

Sex may be private, but living a LIFE with a partner and showing affection and love and having family is public. 

People marry, invite other people to have social bonding, and such ceremonies cannot be kept private. 

 

 

Disease and Disability are two different things. Both are natural but undesirable.

 

I called homosexuality a disability/handicap (not disease) only metaphorically. The real world is cruel towards homosexuals which 'handicaps' them from leading a normal open lifestyle . I fully sympathize with them but wouldn't 'desire' my children to turnout one, for their own good. 

 

Abrahaminic religions are rigid and function in extremes, Black and white, right and wrong, dos and don'ts. They have strict codes of conduct. Hinduism is more of a grey area which functions on 'feel' and is more flexible and accomodating of conflicting views. 

 

 

[Muloghonto]

Also no one compares to Muslims in their hatred of homosexuality.

After living for 2 decades in one of the liberal lgbtq capitals of the world, it's funny how lgbtq liberals are so close, yet so far.

They shreik Islamophobia at any hint of criticism of Islam, yet I have had at least half a dozen of the same 'stop Islamophobia' white Gays muse to me ' I dunno what's up with Muslims. All religious conservatives hate Gays, but while the Hindus and asian religions prefer not to talk about it and our Christian bros whine very hard against it, why do Muslims act like Allah is gonna hold them personally responsible for earth still having Gays?? Like their reaction goes beyond disgust or disapproval, it borders on panicked epidemic response as if someone with smallpox just kissed them'. 

 

But trust our inferior liberal ideology follower to cleverly try to bash superior Hinduism and other Asian faiths by doing the dishonest libbu leftard thing of 'equal equal, all religions do this to gays'blablah nonsense.

 

 

Ps: say no to homophobia but also say no to western misogyny of queer theory and men in frocks invading the concept and rights of women. 

[mishra]

Dont care what others do.

[mishra]

@Alam_dar Hindus do not overtly/covertly support/oppose  homosexuality.

 

Society doesnt like it, Simply because founding principles of Society is based on next generation and homosexualty removes concept of next generation. There is nothing to be disgusted about homosexualty. 

 

So do whatever you want in your private life. Societies wont approve it. Hinduism as religion has no stand on it

[Alam_dar]

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

retarded liberal,

 

When you start with abusive language, then you have already lost the discussion. And it shows only your own hatred against others. 

 

1 hour ago, Muloghonto said:

for your conclusion to be correct that hinduism and abrahamic religions consider homosexuality to be unnatural, there has to be hindu scriptural sanction AGAINST homosexuality.

 

Firstly, this is not my conclusion; it is a claim made by your own fellow Hindus that homosexuality is a disability or disease. So, if you have any questions, direct them to them, not me.

Secondly, if Hindu divine scriptures remain silent on the issue of homosexuality, then they cannot be considered divine. This raises several important questions:

• Why were Hindu gods unaware of the existence of homosexuals?
• What did Hindu gods do to alleviate the suffering faced by homosexuals for thousands of years?
• Why did Hindu gods create homosexuals with what is considered a disability or disease?

If the Hindu scriptures remain silent on the suffering of millions of homosexuals for thousands of years, this silence does not absolve them of responsibility. On the contrary, this silence implicates them in the crime against humanity.

 

Actually, my initial interest was not even in criticizing Hindu scriptures or religion, but rather only in seeking views, opinions, or solutions from modern, educated Hindu friends.

 

So, what is your solution? Or, if you're determined to bring Hinduism into the discussion, what complete solution do the Hindu scriptures offer for this issue?

[Muloghonto]

1 minute ago, Alam_dar said:

 

When you start with abusive language, then you have already lost the discussion. And it shows only your own hatred against others. 

Or the language used is accurate and I have won the discussion, inferior liberal. 

1 minute ago, Alam_dar said:

 

 

Firstly, this is not my conclusion; it is a claim made by your own fellow Hindus that homosexuality is a disability or disease.

Firstly, a Hindu making a conclusion is irrelevant to what Hinduism says, since a Hindu is able to make conclusions without Hinduism in effect.

 

So classic inferior ethics of liberal ob display again, trying to pass off what hinduism says on the basis of random behaviour of a single hindu. 

1 minute ago, Alam_dar said:

So, if you have any questions, direct them to them, not me.

Secondly, if Hindu divine scriptures remain silent on the issue of homosexuality, then they cannot be considered divine. This raises several important questions:

• Why were Hindu gods unaware of the existence of homosexuals?
• What did Hindu gods do to alleviate the suffering faced by homosexuals for thousands of years?
• Why did Hindu gods create homosexuals with what is considered a disability or disease?

If Hindu scriptures is silent on homosexuals, then the conclusion of homosexuals being diseased or disabled is also not based off of Hinduism since Hinduism as you said is silent on the issue, retarded liberal. 

1 minute ago, Alam_dar said:

If the Hindu scriptures remain silent on the suffering of millions of homosexuals for thousands of years, this silence does not absolve them of responsibility.

Yes it does. I am not responsible for condoning or criticising anything I am silent on. 

1 minute ago, Alam_dar said:

On the contrary, this silence implicates them in the crime against humanity.

It doesn't. It implicates them in considering homosexuality as normal hence no comment on it. 

1 minute ago, Alam_dar said:

 

Actually, my initial interest was not even in criticizing Hindu scriptures or religion, but rather only in seeking views, opinions, or solutions from modern, educated Hindu friends.

 

So, what is your solution? Or, if you're determined to bring Hinduism into the discussion, what complete solution do the Hindu scriptures offer for this issue?

The one who brought Hinduism in it is you.

The solution is simple- treat them as they have been and are treated in superior pagan asian societies. 

Better solution than inferior liberals who's solution now is to perpetrated typical liberal misogyny by stealing women's rights and women's avenues from women by pushing men in frocks as women. 

 

So clearly we have a more time tested and sustainable situation than liberal solution which is perpetuating misogyny. 

[Alam_dar]

30 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

After living for 2 decades in one of the liberal lgbtq capitals of the world, it's funny how lgbtq liberals are so close, yet so far.

They shreik Islamophobia at any hint of criticism of Islam, yet I have had at least half a dozen of the same 'stop Islamophobia' white Gays muse to me ' I dunno what's up with Muslims.

 

I follow liberal Secular values, and not Liberal. 

It is not my duty to defend liberals. If some (or even majority) of liberals are making a mistake on some particular issue, then I will criticize it instead of defending it. 

And you know very well that I am against this behaviour of liberals where they defend Islam in the name of Islamophobia. But in your hatred, you keep putting the whole blame upon me if I am defending Islam. 

I am sorry, I can do nothing to cure your disease of hatred. 

 

37 minutes ago, Muloghonto said:

Ps: say no to homophobia but also say no to western misogyny of queer theory and men in frocks invading the concept and rights of women. 

 

You are intentionally mixing the issue of homosexuality with Transgender. 

Actually all religious people do the same. 

However, both of them are separate issues and should be discussed separately to do justice with them.

 

 

[mishra]

17 minutes ago, Alam_dar said:

 

When you start with abusive language, then you have already lost the discussion. And it shows only your own hatred against others. 

 

 

Firstly, this is not my conclusion; it is a claim made by your own fellow Hindus that homosexuality is a disability or disease. So, if you have any questions, direct them to them, not me.

Secondly, if Hindu divine scriptures remain silent on the issue of homosexuality, then they cannot be considered divine. This raises several important questions:

• Why were Hindu gods unaware of the existence of homosexuals?
• What did Hindu gods do to alleviate the suffering faced by homosexuals for thousands of years?
• Why did Hindu gods create homosexuals with what is considered a disability or disease?

If the Hindu scriptures remain silent on the suffering of millions of homosexuals for thousands of years, this silence does not absolve them of responsibility. On the contrary, this silence implicates them in the crime against humanity.

 

Actually, my initial interest was not even in criticizing Hindu scriptures or religion, but rather only in seeking views, opinions, or solutions from modern, educated Hindu friends.

 

So, what is your solution? Or, if you're determined to bring Hinduism into the discussion, what complete solution do the Hindu scriptures offer for this issue?

Sanatan is not prescriptive. Its revisionist and descriptive. Hindu Dharma doesnt talk about how to have sex and who to have sex with. It talks about "Dharma". It doesnt prescribes exactly what is Dharma. "Dharma" of your body is is wakeup, eat digest,****, sleep. You have control of your body. What is your "Dharma" with your body is for you to figure out. Go love someone or have sex with someone or have sex with a donkey. Onus is on you

 

By the look of it, Although you claim you have gone beyond your religion and upbringing, You are actually wrong. Islam is still in you. Because , from outside, You only see and view things based on boundries of islam. Sometime inside boundry. Some time beyond the boundry. But you are always in and around Islamic boundry.

 

If god doesnt have to tell "pashu" (animals) how to have sex, why should it needs to tell "pahupati" (Supreme animal). Class one nonsense if god needs to tell Pashupati who, how and when to have Sex.

 

 

Open your mind, There is far more you can think of than what is written in the books.

Edited January 20 by mishra

[Muloghonto]

Just now, Alam_dar said:

 

I follow liberal Secular values, and not Liberal. 

It is not my duty to defend liberals. If some (or even majority) of liberals are making a mistake on some particular issue, then I will criticize it instead of defending it. 

And you know very well that I am against this behaviour of liberals where they defend Islam in the name of Islamophobia. But in your hatred, you keep putting the whole blame upon me if I am defending Islam. 

I am sorry, I can do nothing to cure your disease of hatred. 

You defend liberalism and secularism, both of which empower islamism and give them room to propagate and operate

 Ergo perpetuation of inferior ideology. 

Just now, Alam_dar said:

 

You are intentionally mixing the issue of homosexuality with Transgender. 

Actually all religious people do the same. 

However, both of them are separate issues and should be discussed separately to do justice with them.

 

 

There is no mixup by me, since the mixup is from you liberals and treating lgbtq as one entity. I already differentiate between them as I only supoort lgb alliance. 

 

Tell your liberal chaatu gang to separate them and not treat them as one, else we will criticise them as one, since liberal and secular  lgbtq policies show that they lead to misogyny against women. 

Ergo time tested asian pagan way of dealing with lgbtq is superior and proven methodology. 

 

Checkmate again. 

[mishra]

6 minutes ago, mishra said:

Sanatan is not prescriptive. Its revisionist and descriptive. Hindu Dharma doesnt talk about how to have sex and who to have sex with. It talks about "Dharma". It doesnt prescribes exactly what is Dharma. "Dharma" of your body is is wakeup, eat digest,****, sleep. You have control of your body. What is your "Dharma" with your body is for you to figure out. Go love someone or have sex with someone or have sex with a donkey. Onus is on you

 

By the look of it, Although you claim you have gone beyond your religion and upbringing, You are actually wrong. Islam is still in you. Because , from outside, You only see and view things based on boundries of islam. Sometime inside boundry. Some time beyond the boundry. But you are always in and around Islamic boundry.

 

If god doesnt have to tell "pashu" (animals) how to have sex, why should it needs to tell "pahupati" (Supreme animal). Class one nonsense if god needs to tell Pashupati who, how and when to have Sex.

 

 

Open your mind, There is far more you can think of than what is written in the books.

@Alam_dar http://www.balagokulam.org/kids/stories/koopa.php

 

A small story for you which is taught to every Indian in very primary years og their schools

[coffee_rules]

@Alam_dar I know you are conflicted and you are pondering here. We will accept you for who you are, man. Come out of the closet, brother.  Hindus are very understanding and open-minded . Manoj Kumar had sung ths song in the 60s itself: "bas yahi apradh main har baar  karta hoon, aadmi hoon aadmi se pyaar karta hoon!"But, .We know it is not an apradh. BJP government was the first since independence to de-criminalize gay sex. Ghar wapasi kar hi do.. to India and Hindusim and your brotherhood. 

Edited January 20 by coffee_rules