Rarest of Rare Bull*hit

[AuxiliA]

The RG Kar Kolkata hospital rapist, who raped and brutally murdered a random girl to satisfy his 10 mins of lust, given Life Imprisonment. 

 

A Kerala girl, who poisoned her boyfriend coz he was harrassing her for marriage, given Death Penalty. 

 

I guess the 2nd crime is more rare as rape-murders happen all the time! Well done Indian Judiciary. 

 

[AuxiliA]

In my opinion If anyone has murdered an innocent person intentionally then he/she must receive the Death sentence 100%. No two ways about it. 

 

F*ck Human rights..

 

 

[Muloghonto]

7 minutes ago, AuxiliA said:

In my opinion If anyone has murdered an innocent person intentionally then he/she must receive the Death sentence 100%. No two ways about it. 

 

F*ck Human rights..

 

 

It is upholding of human rights to execute a murderer or rapist. The rights of the victim. 

[mishra]

Too much wokeism in our Judiciary.

 

These guys will Read NYT article how paedophylia is a disease (which was probably to say Prince Andrews is not a Criminal).

 

BC Kolkata was boiling for so many days because Society as a whole  thought it was rarest of rare crime where a Student doctor who was preparing herself tolive a life of helping the Society was raped and murdered, and still judges declare, Society is wrong.

 

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, AuxiliA said:

The RG Kar Kolkata hospital rapist, who raped and brutally murdered a random girl to satisfy his 10 mins of lust, given Life Imprisonment. 

 

A Kerala girl, who poisoned her boyfriend coz he was harrassing her for marriage, given Death Penalty. 

 

I guess the 2nd crime is more rare as rape-murders happen all the time! Well done Indian Judiciary. 

 

What a travesty! Indian judiciary is the most inconsistent of all, I think. This guy raped and killed her, leftists erased all evidence, police chief covered up the case, Guy will be released from prison in a few years in good behavior.

 

The guy who shot and killed Jessica Lal , Manu Sharma is now out and a businessman who created a new whiskey brand called Indri. 
 

https://altstrategy.substack.com/p/jessica-lals-killer-owns-indri-the

 

Jessica Lal's killer owns Indri - the fastest growing whiskey brand in the world

[nevada]

So severity of the crime is not the criteria but rarity is? Makes no sense! 

[Mariyam]

Nuanced topic:

 

For a "rarest of rare" conviction,

 

The following cases must hold true

1) The murder must be pre planned and extremely depraved ( subjective, I know, but basis past precedents)

2) Prosecution has to demonstrate that the accused is incapable of reform

 

In my opinion, the CBI have made a dog's breakfast of the investigation. They weren't able to conclusively prove that the accused had the crime pre planned. The defense ended up making a stronger case about it being a spur of the moment opportunist crime. 

The prosecution will appeal to a higher court.

 

@AuxiliA You should direct your ire at the CBI who have made a mess of yet another murder case. Flashes of Aarushi Talwar case here.

 

The woman who poisoned her boyfriend: That is *depraved* because a breach of trust in a relationship + murder has ample precedent of the hangman's noose. Not to mention it was a pre-planned murder.

[ravishingravi]

2 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Nuanced topic:

 

For a "rarest of rare" conviction,

 

The following cases must hold true

1) The murder must be pre planned and extremely depraved ( subjective, I know, but basis past precedents)

2) Prosecution has to demonstrate that the accused is incapable of reform

 

In my opinion, the CBI have made a dog's breakfast of the investigation. They weren't able to conclusively prove that the accused had the crime pre planned. The defense ended up making a stronger case about it being a spur of the moment opportunist crime. 

The prosecution will appeal to a higher court.

 

@AuxiliA You should direct your ire at the CBI who have made a mess of yet another murder case. Flashes of Aarushi Talwar case here.

 

The woman who poisoned her boyfriend: That is *depraved* because a breach of trust in a relationship + murder has ample precedent of the hangman's noose. Not to mention it was a pre-planned murder.

 

Agreed. But dont expect CBI to pull off miracles after the local police have "taken care" of things. 

[Lord]

Indian judiciary is in  doldrums now.

 

Actually I'm surprised the girl got death penalty. 

[AuxiliA]

10 hours ago, Mariyam said:

Nuanced topic:

 

For a "rarest of rare" conviction,

 

The following cases must hold true

1) The murder must be pre planned and extremely depraved ( subjective, I know, but basis past precedents)

2) Prosecution has to demonstrate that the accused is incapable of reform

 

In my opinion, the CBI have made a dog's breakfast of the investigation. They weren't able to conclusively prove that the accused had the crime pre planned. The defense ended up making a stronger case about it being a spur of the moment opportunist crime. 

The prosecution will appeal to a higher court.

 

@AuxiliA You should direct your ire at the CBI who have made a mess of yet another murder case. Flashes of Aarushi Talwar case here.

 

The woman who poisoned her boyfriend: That is *depraved* because a breach of trust in a relationship + murder has ample precedent of the hangman's noose. Not to mention it was a pre-planned murder.

 

 

In my book unplanned murders are worse than planned murders. Atleast in planned murders you have some reason to kill. Those who kill people randomly or in rage are far worse danger to the society and should be locked up forever or better yet excecuted.

 

 

Can't believe you are blaming CBI for this. The first 24 hours are the most crucial for any murder investigation. Can't expect CBI to secure forensic evidences when such cases are given to them after several weeks.

 

It was the UP police of 2008 which messed up the Aarushi double murder case. They didn't even do basic finger print collection and didn't even find the 2nd victim's(who they first thought to be the culprit) lying on the terrace for 2 days!

 

 

[coffee_rules]

The local authorities and the principal covered up the case and all evidences. CBI was brought after a week or 10 days with a lot of protests. By the time , CBI took over , case was all but a farce , with one guy confessing to the crime. sC noted all evidences being tampered with, by the principal, who was even arrested by CBI for questioning 

[BacktoCricaddict]

12 hours ago, Mariyam said:

made a dog's breakfast

mhaNje kai, milord?

[Mariyam]

51 minutes ago, BacktoCricaddict said:

mhaNje kai, milord?

To do the task poorly/ half heartedly

[Mariyam]

@ravishingravi

@AuxiliA

@coffee_rules

 

The buck has to stop somewhere. The CBI has sweeping investigative powers. 

 

Why has the CBI not charged members of the hospital or the local police under IPC 204 ( Evidence tampering) or its equivalent under the BNS? This after CBI alleges that the local police had the Principal's Call record Data erased from the servers due to 'memory error'

Why has the CBI not submitted cellular triangulation data of all cell phones within 100m of the crime scene? Bar and Bench says that it was missing and although used only as corroborative evidence, it is useful to further investigate?

 

Is the CBI keen on reaching the truth or just reaching a setlement?

Edited January 21 by Mariyam

[Mariyam]

@Lord

Why is the judiciary in doldrums?

 

Ask yourself this: You have a CBI investigation which isn’t airtight. Previous investigators (local police) are not questioned or interrogated. 
You just have enough for a conviction.

 

Will you give the death penalty or life imprisonment?

 

Most judges would ask the investigation to be more thorough and only then pass a sentence.

Edited January 21 by Mariyam

[coffee_rules]

1 hour ago, Mariyam said:

@ravishingravi

@AuxiliA

@coffee_rules

 

The buck has to stop somewhere. The CBI has sweeping investigative powers. 

 

Why has the CBI not charged members of the hospital or the local police under IPC 204 ( Evidence tampering) or its equivalent under the BNS? This after CBI alleges that the local police had the Principal's Call record Data erased from the servers due to 'memory error'

Why has the CBI not submitted cellular triangulation data of all cell phones within 100m of the crime scene? Bar and Bench says that it was missing and although used only as corroborative evidence, it is useful to further investigate?

 

Is the CBI keen on reaching the truth or just reaching a setlement?

Suspect some quid-pro-quo between Modi and Mamta.. politics definitely 

[Lord]

16 hours ago, Mariyam said:

@Lord

Why is the judiciary in doldrums?

 

Ask yourself this: You have a CBI investigation which isn’t airtight. Previous investigators (local police) are not questioned or interrogated. 
You just have enough for a conviction.

 

Will you give the death penalty or life imprisonment?

 

Most judges would ask the investigation to be more thorough and only then pass a sentence.

 

Didn't the accused himself admit the crime? What else is needed?

 

Apparently death penalty is not given as court wasn't convinced his nature is irredeemable. How is the women's nature in the OP irredeemable?

[AuxiliA]

In a country of 1.5B population ideally we should be hanging atleast a dozen convicted murderers every single week and widely publicize them domestically. 

 

In India only the innocent seedha-saadha people fear going to jail. You need regular excecutions and encounters to strike fear of law amongst hardened anti-social elements. 

 

Optics are extremely important in Today's world. We keep on hearing news about multiple murders/rapes happening everyday but never ever hear about culprits getting hanged for these heinous crimes. Such a situation not only reduces the faith of common citizens in law & order but also emboldens the criminals to commit more murders/raped as they can get away with it..

 

[Mariyam]

16 hours ago, Lord said:

 

Didn't the accused himself admit the crime? What else is needed?

 

Apparently death penalty is not given as court wasn't convinced his nature is irredeemable. How is the women's nature in the OP irredeemable?

Accused admitted to the crime but the investigation has to conclusively prove that he isn't lying. 

 

Haven't followed much of the Kerala case. But the woman had attempted to poison the victim on multiple occasions. She failed the first few times and took Edison's aphorism of trying till you succeed to heart. Rather to the victims heart.

Edited January 23 by Mariyam

[Mariyam]

16 hours ago, AuxiliA said:

In a country of 1.5B population ideally we should be hanging atleast a dozen convicted murderers every single week and widely publicize them domestically. 

 

In India only the innocent seedha-saadha people fear going to jail. You need regular excecutions and encounters to strike fear of law amongst hardened anti-social elements. 

 

Optics are extremely important in Today's world. We keep on hearing news about multiple murders/rapes happening everyday but never ever hear about culprits getting hanged for these heinous crimes. Such a situation not only reduces the faith of common citizens in law & order but also emboldens the criminals to commit more murders/raped as they can get away with it..

 

There are tons of studies, in India and outside which draw no (co)relation between severity of punishment and crime rates.

In other words, that is hardly a deterrence.

 

What is a *proven* deterrence is higher conviction rates. If the perpetrator knows that it is a matter of *when* not *if* of being brought to justice.

India has an average conviction rate (stated) of 55%. This is obviously only of the cases where the police file an FIR. They just refuse to for a whole category of people and crimes. Not talking about non cognizable offenses but serious crimes. Japan has an average conviction rate of 98%. Criminals in Japan know that they will get caught. That is why they have next to no crime.

 

In India, Mizoram paid a lot of heed on proper policing and have a conviction rate of around 96%. Assam has a conviction rate of 5%. Guess where you have more crime on a day to day basis?

 

If we increase our police force, train them in forensics and investigative methods, it would be a huge deterrent. What we have now is a largely corrupt force that has no interest in solving crime, just want to be regulators of crime as long as they get their cut.