kepler37b Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 36 minutes ago, MechEng said: Buddy, I know CAs working for a giant who exploit loopholes in GST laws and find ways to avoid paying GST to the government. The lala mindset is still dominant. What I meant was that long hours for employees is common in indian private enterprise. This is typical of a low income economy that aspires to boost itself.
pkmmamks Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 5 hours ago, Lord said: Ministry and DGCA has been pretty lame in this episode. My guess is they are in cahoots with Indigo. Like Ethanol episode Lord 1
pkmmamks Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 4 hours ago, Lord said: yes and thats pretty much what happened. Dangers of monopoly and duopoly Created by the govt Lord 1
pkmmamks Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 3 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: If you don't want to someone to poach your employees, pay them well, treat them well and make it hard for them to leave. Why do you need govt making anti-poaching rules? Having said that - regulating safety of pilots and passengers is absolutely the govt's job. Otherwise airlines will cut corners endangering public. Airlines plan well in advance for flights and ticket sale. There has to be a notice period before any airline loses a pilot to competition. Period enough to replace the vacancy created BacktoCricaddict 1
MechEng Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 3 hours ago, BacktoCricaddict said: If you don't want to someone to poach your employees, pay them well, treat them well and make it hard for them to leave. Why do you need govt making anti-poaching rules? Or encourage a bigger market and bring in more carriers ensuring healthy competition along with a robust talent pool. Besides, if this were an issue, Indigo executives should have made it clear to the govenrment back in 2024 itself that they won't be hiring more due to massive operational costs. The fact that they planned this chaos in advance by making passengers as hostages so that government buckles under pressure is proper gunda behaviour. Lord 1
MechEng Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 (edited) 7 minutes ago, pkmmamks said: My guess is they are in cahoots with Indigo. Like Ethanol episode India at least since last 500 years has always been a slave society serving the insane greedy 1% at the top. Edited December 9, 2025 by MechEng Lord 1
MechEng Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 13 minutes ago, kepler37b said: This is typical of a low income economy that aspires to boost itself. This is typical of lala companies that want cheap labour. There is hardly any quality work done in India unless you work for a niche startup
kepler37b Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 19 minutes ago, MechEng said: This is typical of lala companies that want cheap labour. There is hardly any quality work done in India unless you work for a niche startup Yes.
ravishingravi Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 In Hindi. But he nails it. Govt has to step in here. This is very serious. For me what's shocking is that Indigo thought they can do this. randomGuy 1
Lord Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 29 minutes ago, ravishingravi said: In Hindi. But he nails it. Govt has to step in here. This is very serious. For me what's shocking is that Indigo thought they can do this. Yep. They need to be heavily penalised or a precedent has been set.
zen Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 (edited) Below are my back of the napkin margin calculations for Indigo: Revenues: 100 Gross margin: 10 Net margin: 5 (maybe even less than 5) Pilot salaries: 10-20 Other operating expenses: 80-90 Additional pilot salaries (and training expenses) to meet new regulation = say roughly 5 Therefore, net margin of Indigo if it hires 33% additional pilots: 0 What it means of air travelers is eventually more expensive fares. In a way, Indigo has earned the right to kick babus and politicians arses. Edited December 9, 2025 by zen kepler37b 1
zen Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 Through the eyes of JAL - the brutal economics of airline industry:
kepler37b Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 5 hours ago, zen said: Below are my back of the napkin margin calculations for Indigo: Revenues: 100 Gross margin: 10 Net margin: 5 (maybe even less than 5) Pilot salaries: 10-20 Other operating expenses: 80-90 Additional pilot salaries (and training expenses) to meet new regulation = say roughly 5 Therefore, net margin of Indigo if it hires 33% additional pilots: 0 What it means of air travelers is eventually more expensive fares. In a way, Indigo has earned the right to kick babus and politicians arses. Yes. That too with a solid platinum rod. zen 1
putrevus Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 Government increasing mandatory rest hours for pilots, was it a deliberate ploy to kill the airlines. I don’t think the low cost airlines like Indigo can remain operational if they have to increase pilots plus other personnel. I don’t think Indigo had any other options.
putrevus Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 Plus are there any studies done anywhere by Indian government that the pilots who are having rest hours like Indigo are prone to cause accidents. How are low cost airlines in Europe operating.
kepler37b Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 1 hour ago, putrevus said: Government increasing mandatory rest hours for pilots, was it a deliberate ploy to kill the airlines. I don’t think the low cost airlines like Indigo can remain operational if they have to increase pilots plus other personnel. I don’t think Indigo had any other options. There MAY(A big MAY) be a plan to help a crony to open a new airline. My bet is on Adani. Let's wait and watch.
Lord Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 4 hours ago, putrevus said: Government increasing mandatory rest hours for pilots, was it a deliberate ploy to kill the airlines. I don’t think the low cost airlines like Indigo can remain operational if they have to increase pilots plus other personnel. I don’t think Indigo had any other options. How about appealing through right way and informing passengers well in advance about cancellation so they can make other arrangements? There's no way you can harass customers like this for your own benefit. Many people will not prefer Indigo now anyway
EnterTheVoid Posted December 9, 2025 Posted December 9, 2025 Pained to see the ground staff coping all the brunt. They are not at fault nor do they have any control over decisions made by higher management.
diga Posted December 10, 2025 Posted December 10, 2025 49 minutes ago, EnterTheVoid said: Pained to see the ground staff coping all the brunt. They are not at fault nor do they have any control over decisions made by higher management. Sad but they are directly interacting with customers who are irked about airline issues.. at the sametime, passengers have lost time & money arriving at the airport only to find their flights cancelled or rescheduled - "Organized chaos" EnterTheVoid 1
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