Vinay Kumar is awful and should not be anywere near the Indian team!!!

[King Tendulkar]

point is he is not old. your not talking about somebody in their mid 30s...... why does future prospect always mean somebody who is under 25?

He should not be in team now, let alone next 5 years when oap. This zimbabwe tour would have been perfect chance to try a young bowler with decent future prospects. Some one with wheels like kaul. Instead have trundlers of unadkat and vinay

[rkt.india]

The problem with picking guys early is that they haven't developed the basics on control and accuracy. Someone like Ishant Sharma is a vitally important bowler because he's one of the few guys that has naturally good bounce and decent pace and is a hit the deck seam bowler. Domestic cricket produces plenty of swing bowlers but very few genuine seam bowlers and you need variety in your attack. But Sharma never got a chance to work on fine tuning his length. THAT's what seperates guys like Stuart Clark from younger seam bowler's like Ishant. Stuart Clark only came into the Australian setup when he was much older and by that time he was a master of hitting that perfect length creating indecision in the batsmen's mind. Combine that with his excellent upright seam and Clark was at times every bit as good as McGrath and with faster natural air speed. Finn has the same problem. He's an elite talent but any time the batsmen take him on or he doesn't get into a good rhythm his loses his length and line immediately and doesn't get it back at all. Usually guys that spend much longer in domestic cricket are mentally tougher and more accurate. Sharma is having to learn how to control his lengths in international cricket where every error is magnified and punished as opposed to domestic cricket where he can get away with it.

I agree with you about it and believes that pacers should not be bled too early but then still we had plethora of fast bowlers who had tons of FC experience and still failed at the highest level. Even today you send Ishant to Ranji and he will do well. Thing is domestic cricket is an all times a great indicator of a cricketer's potential. How much FC cricket likes of Wasim and Waqar played? Viv Richards averaged 27 in FC when he made his debut for WI. Clark was averaging 36 when he made his test debut even played ahead of likes of Hussey and Hodge and plenty others who had an FC average in 50s. I dont think there is any single criteria to pick players though we should always give them time at FC level as it will make them slightly better if not a lot.

[trundlerNO1]

Some people still defend this maha crap :facepalm:

[Number]

^ because he is one of the best death over bowlers in India.

[adi B]

i would like to conclude the discussion with 2 points 1)KT is right,trundlers like vinee,unadkat are not of intl level,maybe unadkat can play in such dormant series 2)number,what has happened to you mate?vinay,best death bowler?or is it one of sarcastic diatribes :hmmmm:

[vayuu1]

Please vinay and unadkat no way,

[youngindia]

vinay's problem- hard trier but not a bone of cricketing brilliance in his body-plus not enough pace. has variations, midlevel accuracy,swing but zero top notch talent.hence will never be a matchwinner. u r not long term option if u r not a matchwinner for a established cricketing nation. unadkat is not in the same category as some allege. he can crank it up to 135 even at u 19 levels and there is much better potential there.

[youngindia]

The problem with picking guys early is that they haven't developed the basics on control and accuracy. Someone like Ishant Sharma is a vitally important bowler because he's one of the few guys that has naturally good bounce and decent pace and is a hit the deck seam bowler.

Depends on depth (lacking in india's case due to demise of sreesanth and rp singh) and situation (e.g current australia)as well. McGrath and lee can debut at 23 because McDermott and merv hughes were holding the fort,though reid faded away due to injuries.whereas McDermott had to learn the hard way debuting at 19 because alderman and co left for SA and Lawson was a problem for border. now the cycle has turned and cummins,pattinson are making debut in their teens. with the lack of great bowling talent throughout history and lack of progress in many cases like sreesanth, we are forced to do this.

[G_B_]

He should not be in team now, let alone next 5 years when oap. This zimbabwe tour would have been perfect chance to try a young bowler with decent future prospects. Some one with wheels like kaul. Instead have trundlers of unadkat and vinay

arent we trying young bowlers? Unadkat Shami etc are all below 25 years in age. Dont you think its a bit risky from a team selection POV to try our Unadkat Shami and Mohit at once in an ODI v Zim? I mean your talking about debut debut barely a few matches.

[fineleg]

arent we trying young bowlers? Unadkat Shami etc are all below 25 years in age. Dont you think its a bit risky from a team selection POV to try our Unadkat Shami and Mohit at once in an ODI v Zim? I mean your talking about debut debut barely a few matches.

This IS the best time to risk in meaningless ODIs vs Zim. Where are Sid Kaul and Pankaj Singh!??

[jalebi_bhai]

vinay's problem- hard trier but not a bone of cricketing brilliance in his body-plus not enough pace. has variations, midlevel accuracy,swing but zero top notch talent.hence will never be a matchwinner. u r not long term option if u r not a matchwinner for a established cricketing nation. unadkat is not in the same category as some allege. he can crank it up to 135 even at u 19 levels and there is much better potential there.

+1000000 Vinny's work ethic is top class.......but he has a serious, serious, serious, serious lack of natural talent....... Think Unadkat is no where as bad as people make him out to be on the forum......decent enough bowler at his age.......will only get better with time.......

[rkt.india]

Depends on depth (lacking in india's case due to demise of sreesanth and rp singh) and situation (e.g current australia)as well. McGrath and lee can debut at 23 because McDermott and merv hughes were holding the fort,though reid faded away due to injuries.whereas McDermott had to learn the hard way debuting at 19 because alderman and co left for SA and Lawson was a problem for border. now the cycle has turned and cummins,pattinson are making debut in their teens. with the lack of great bowling talent throughout history and lack of progress in many cases like sreesanth, we are forced to do this.

Agree. lack of options and depth in pace bowling dept is what forces us to blood fast bowlers at a very young age. Likes of Pathan and Ishant are a few examples and it is not like our experienced FC have done any better. This is we know how to make a batsman but are clueless about development of young potential prospects into world class fast bowler.

[flamy]

I don't see anything special with this Shami guy either.

[rkt.india]

I don't see anything special with this Shami guy either.

Did you even watch the match? He bowled brilliant outswingers, was unlucky not to get edges, was consistently going pass the edges, was just too good to not get edges and the bowled well at death too. He was squaring them up with outswingers. Vinay went for 45 in his last 4 overs while he bowled some good yorkers. Thing is Shami is young and he is already bowling decently and has time on his hand to still improve while that is not the case with Vinay who is already close to 30. You dont waste such games on a guy like Vinay who you know can never become an international prospect.

[adi B]

i think shami is struggling with his run up,looks iffy tbh

[Old guy]

i think shami is struggling with his run up' date='looks iffy tbh[/quote'] he will bowl better today:om: hope he swings them less :winky:

[Lord]

legend will prove all of us wrong today :ohyeah:

[rkt.india]

i think shami is struggling with his run up' date='looks iffy tbh[/quote'] His runup is like that, far too big a strides for a short guy.

[I6MTW]

this guy can bat.

[JaFanatic]

slapped the critics with his bat :hatsoff: