Sachin retirement thread

[putrevus]

1 hour ago, goose said:

He was named the 2010 WIsden cricketer of the year, announced in April 2011. He retired just 2 years later. In a career that spanned 24 years it's pretty mean to harp on about staying on too long.

His lackadaisical attitude of skipping WI series after world cup and treating England series as some sort holiday was a joke. He was very one of main reasons for that 0-8 and yet never got any blame for it.Sachin was never in top echelon after 2000 till 2010 especially in tests but like any lamp which flickers the brightest he had a great 2010 and should have ended in glory after April 2nd.

 

Kohli is following his footsteps.He is done he should gone sooner than later.

[ShoonyaSifar]

1 hour ago, New guy said:

How does a person retire after averaging 68, 78 and 48 in consecutive years? Obviously  you will think you still have form left and try for one more year at least?

 

He should retire in 2011 after averaging 78 previous year? Why should a person retire when in such form? Because of his age? 

 

 

 

 

 

Retire on a high after winning a WC, one thing he cherished so much? But for some reason he started chasing that 100th 100.

 

 

[New guy]

35 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Retire on a high after winning a WC, one thing he cherished so much? But for some reason he started chasing that 100th 100.

 

 

So what you are saying is that a batsman should retire on a personal high even if he thinks he is in prime form and contribute more to the team? His personal high retirement and average > team?

[New guy]

1 hour ago, putrevus said:

His lackadaisical attitude of skipping WI series after world cup and treating England series as some sort holiday was a joke. He was very one of main reasons for that 0-8 and yet never got any blame for it.Sachin was never in top echelon after 2000 till 2010 especially in tests but like any lamp which flickers the brightest he had a great 2010 and should have ended in glory after April 2nd.

 

Kohli is following his footsteps.He is done he should gone sooner than later.

Yeah 4 years of average 48, 68, 78 and 47, which directly contributed to world no 1 ranking for india is just one year of great 2010 course

 

And of course 1 or 2 bad series in his big career is because he was treating series as a joke

 

I love how people are now completely spinning fantasies out of their ass when stats proved them wrong 

[Vijy]

Goddy's (SRT) case is rather interesting. He was amazing in the past few yrs leading up to 2011 WC, including the WC itself (aside from the final), the SA series before it, and the IPL afterwards. However, that 100th 100 proved to be a huge millstone. Had he already been at 100 100s, I feel that we could have seen some more of that scintillating form for another couple of yrs.

 

In the case of Punter and Rat, it is clear that diminishing physical batting (not necessarily fielding/athletic) reflexes allied to mental fatigue and lack of clarity sent them down a one-way track. Rat is done in my opinion. We may see a few good innings here and there, but he is past his prime

[ShoonyaSifar]

8 hours ago, New guy said:

So what you are saying is that a batsman should retire on a personal high even if he thinks he is in prime form and contribute more to the team? His personal high retirement and average > team?

What exactly did he contribute to the team after the 2011 WC, except for chasing personal records? The only batsman who played through each test in 0-4 in Eng, 0-4 in Australia and 1-2 vs England at home.

 

Sullied his reputation so much in those 2 years post the 2011 WC that his batting was hardly missed post retirement.

[Adamant]

I think Sachin was averaging 55-56  in tests till 2010, just to chase that 100th hundred  he lowered his average by nearly 3 points and instead of being rated as standout batsman he gets compared with the likes of Lara, Kallis and even Sangakkara (57avg).

[New guy]

2 hours ago, Adamant said:

I think Sachin was averaging 55-56  in tests till 2010, just to chase that 100th hundred  he lowered his average by nearly 3 points and instead of being rated as standout batsman he gets compared with the likes of Lara, Kallis and even Sangakkara (57avg).

So he should have retired just to preserve his personal average?

[New guy]

2 hours ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

What exactly did he contribute to the team after the 2011 WC, except for chasing personal records? The only batsman who played through each test in 0-4 in Eng, 0-4 in Australia and 1-2 vs England at home.

 

Sullied his reputation so much in those 2 years post the 2011 WC that his batting was hardly missed post retirement.

And he could have magically predicted that when he averaged 78 and excelled against steyn in SA?

 

Hindsight is a wonderful tool, isnt it?

 

Also, as per their own statements, kohli, rohit all swear batting with him at the other end was the biggest learning they could have had in international and helped them transition without pressure

 

The fact that both windies and sri lankan batting fell apart to joke levels and they reduced to near minnows  immediately after Lara and Sanga retired  at their "peak" without grooming young batsmen is testimony to why this is important

 

Also why our young batsmen today seem to be faltering without being groomed by mature legends. Rahul, pant etc would have beneffited a lot from sachin at the other end

 

And no, no non biased sane person thinks any reputation is sullied because a player lost form in his last year. All batsmen in history have more or less done that 

Edited November 17, 2021 by New guy

[Adamant]

38 minutes ago, New guy said:

So he should have retired just to preserve his personal average?

The only reason he kept on playing was to score 100 hundreds. 

In order to achieve that he lowered his average by 3 points in tests and when he eventually scored the 100th it was a selfish match losing knock against minnows. 

That 100th hundred actually lowered his reputation instead of increasing it. 

 

Also He failed in Aus and Eng in away series, I think these two big failures should have been enough to make him realise that he should call it a day but no he kept on toiling for that milestone. 

[ShoonyaSifar]

2 hours ago, New guy said:

And he could have magically predicted that when he averaged 78 and excelled against steyn in SA?

 

Hindsight is a wonderful tool, isnt it?

 

Also, as per their own statements, kohli, rohit all swear batting with him at the other end was the biggest learning they could have had in international and helped them transition without pressure

 

The fact that both windies and sri lankan batting fell apart to joke levels and they reduced to near minnows  immediately after Lara and Sanga retired  at their "peak" without grooming young batsmen is testimony to why this is important

 

Also why our young batsmen today seem to be faltering without being groomed by mature legends. Rahul, pant etc would have beneffited a lot from sachin at the other end

 

And no, no non biased sane person thinks any reputation is sullied because a player lost form in his last year. All batsmen in history have more or less done that 

From Ponting's decline to Rohit and Kohli being obviously respectful to a senior, you've used some weird points to defend Sachin's incompetence post 2011 WC. 

 

As for hindsight, well search ICF threads of the time and see how many predicted Sachin will not hit another test 100. That so called 100th 100 vs BD will remain the most painful memory as a then Sachin fan. One of the worst 100s ever scored, totally selfish, team interest be damned.

[putrevus]

15 hours ago, New guy said:

Yeah 4 years of average 48, 68, 78 and 47, which directly contributed to world no 1 ranking for india is just one year of great 2010 course

 

And of course 1 or 2 bad series in his big career is because he was treating series as a joke

 

I love how people are now completely spinning fantasies out of their ass when stats proved them wrong 

Stop giving his nonsensical averages. Sachin was never a match winner especially in tests away from home nor was great in odis. You don't need Sachin to win in India in tests. I don't want to enter into this endless debate.There is reason why this guy who played  200 tests never could sniff 500 runs in a series. 

 

Yes he treated those two series as a joke. he was always a steady eddy nothing more. It took him 2007 to score a century against Australia in Australia in Odis and if I am not wrong 38 plus odi 100s he scored were in Asia. It is not like he was some scoring machine in Odis away from Asia

 

He did have great world cups in 1996, 2003 and 2011 .

Edited November 17, 2021 by putrevus

[New guy]

14 minutes ago, putrevus said:

Stop giving his nonsensical averages. Sachin was never a match winner especially in tests away from home nor was great in odis. You don't need Sachin to win in India in tests. I don't want to enter into this endless debate.There is reason why this guy who played  200 tests never could sniff 500 runs in a series. 

 

Yes he treated those two series as a joke. he was always a steady eddy nothing more. It took him 2007 to score a century against Australia in Australia in Odis and if I am not wrong 38 plus odi 100s he scored were in Asia. It is not like he was some scoring machine in Odis away from Asia

 

He did have great world cups in 1996, 2003 and 2011 .

Yes the biggest reason for that lack of 500 was that in his prime we only played 2 and 3 match test series unlike today

 

He has 400+ multiple times in 2 match series and 495 in 3 match series. He played only 2 5 match series in his entire career, one as a 17 year old in Aus and 1 in 2002 with elbow injury 

 

Not a match winner because you say so? Today in last few years we have won almost every match where we score 300 in first  innings and never lost a single one . Just scoring 300.  Sachins team used to score 300+ for fun overseas 

[New guy]

1 hour ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

From Ponting's decline to Rohit and Kohli being obviously respectful to a senior, you've used some weird points to defend Sachin's incompetence post 2011 WC. 

 

As for hindsight, well search ICF threads of the time and see how many predicted Sachin will not hit another test 100. That so called 100th 100 vs BD will remain the most painful memory as a then Sachin fan. One of the worst 100s ever scored, totally selfish, team interest be damned.

Once again no batsmen in the world retires after averaging 78 previous year.

 

.how is grooming youngsters weird point. It was in direct response to your question about his contribution.

 

Srinkanka and west indies collapse after lara and sanga retied in prime without grooming succession  is a fact,  not an opinion. Now you can chose to ignore facts but thats another thing

[ShoonyaSifar]

9 minutes ago, New guy said:

Once again no batsmen in the world retires after averaging 78 previous year.

 

.how is grooming youngsters weird point. It was in direct response to your question about his contribution.

 

Srinkanka and west indies collapse after lara and sanga retied in prime without grooming succession  is a fact,  not an opinion. Now you can chose to ignore facts but thats another thing

Keep coming with such weird logic. Sachin should have become the mentor of the team if he so dearly wanted to groom young players. He only hogged a young player's spot.

 

And no WI and SL didn't collapse because Lara and Sanga retired at 37 and 38, they collapsed due to lack of quality talent, a problem we did not have (Pujara, Rahane, Kohli, Rohit were all there scoring tons of runs in FC cricket). But then spin it the way you want.

[New guy]

3 hours ago, Adamant said:

The only reason he kept on playing was to score 100 hundreds. 

In order to achieve that he lowered his average by 3 points in tests and when he eventually scored the 100th it was a selfish match losing knock against minnows. 

That 100th hundred actually lowered his reputation instead of increasing it. 

 

Also He failed in Aus and Eng in away series, I think these two big failures should have been enough to make him realise that he should call it a day but no he kept on toiling for that milestone. 

Jealous people spouting nonsense doesnt lower anyone's  reputaion

 

Nor does inability to defend 293 against minnows 

 

No batsman in the world retires after averaging 78 previous year against the likes of steyn

 

His only indulgence was wanting to retire at home instead of overseas

[Rantzz]

You can twist it how you want but fact is the guy took over 1 year and selfishly stayed on just to score his 100th. That is the epitome of putting one’s own interest over what’s best for the team 

 

let’s not forget the hissy fit he threw when Dravid declared him at 194. Dravid was doing what he thought was best for the team but again Sachin was chasing personal glory

[sage]

even in his worst decade (2010s) as a limping (selfish) senior citizen according to some ICFers he managed 50+. averaged 50+ three straight decades. what a player.

 

[Stan AF]

 

Didn't know where to post this.

Edited November 18, 2021 by Stan AF

[goose]

i am with @New guy here. the media made such an enormous fuss over the nonsense combined century milestone he was bound to get hung up on it. and if he let it effect him, it was one aberration over a 24 year career for goodness sake. was he a bit too aware of the expectations we had of him? yes he was and a great thing it was too because he delivered at an insane level under that weight where most would crack. some people project their own personal disappointment with the fact a player is past his very lofty peak, almost like the player has caused offence by revealing his mortality. i see it happening with Kohli too.