Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[Jay]

28 minutes ago, ABDfan said:

Just like zameer destroyed your u19?

none of your bowlers are intimidating or hurry batsmen. almost zero damage infliction. shaheen only has yorkers. one fluke bouncer here and there at best.

[Jay]

30 minutes ago, ABDfan said:

Just like zameer destroyed your u19?

we won the cup.

[Lone Wolf]

31 minutes ago, ABDfan said:

Just like zameer destroyed your u19?

And Sri lankan guys destroyed your U19...  Nikal Lodu

[ABDfan]

46 minutes ago, Jay said:

we won the cup.

But still lost to us due to "Intimidation Factor"

[ABDfan]

48 minutes ago, Jay said:

none of your bowlers are intimidating or hurry batsmen. almost zero damage infliction. shaheen only has yorkers. one fluke bouncer here and there at best.

Lol go and watch Shaheen's bowling against Windies .Swinging yorker is far superior ball than bouncer as there is no need for fielder

[Jay]

22 minutes ago, ABDfan said:

But still lost to us due to "Intimidation Factor"

what intimidation factor? zeeshan is no where near tyagi, mavi and nagarkoti level of intimidation which took place in 2018. In the end zeeshan pussied out against Sri Lankas. indians dint even field their best team for pakistani game. calm your tits boy. 

[Jay]

8 minutes ago, ABDfan said:

Lol go and watch Shaheen's bowling against Windies .Swinging yorker is far superior ball than bouncer as there is no need for fielder

its not easy to bowl yorkers consitently. shaheen being the slender man he is, will break down soon if he keeps utilizing that tactic. Not easy for anyone tbf. shaheen is very good but he lacks inditimidation factor and fear factor. he is like philander clone with more speed and less accuracy. 

he is very good with new ball. bad with old ball in all formats and bad on wickets that have bounce and carry. also poor on flat wickets. He is excellent in seaming wickets. wickets that offer seam movement. 

[ShoonyaSifar]

30 minutes ago, ABDfan said:

But still lost to us due to "Intimidation Factor"

Hope the new beast Zameer can help you win the playoffs and help you finish in top 6 in the u-19 WC

[Jay]

5 minutes ago, ShoonyaSifar said:

Hope the new beast Zameer can help you win the playoffs and help you finish in top 6 in the u-19 WC

zeeshan zameer is 19 hahahhahahahahhaha. never laughed this hard in my life. 

 

dude is every bit of 25. amir was right. these guys are 7 to 8 years older than their actual ages. 

[ABDfan]

10 minutes ago, Jay said:

zeeshan zameer is 19 hahahhahahahahhaha. never laughed this hard in my life. 

 

dude is every bit of 25. amir was right. these guys are 7 to 8 years older than their actual ages. 

I am very impressed by super natural abilities of some icfers. A poster has eyes that can take more accurate reading of ball speed than speed gun and then comes @Jay my brah who has age and intimidation sensor along with average calculator combined inbuilt

[Mesky99]

2 hours ago, ABDfan said:

Not yet Rauf bowled153.1 to be precise while Umran 152.9x

But rauf gets carted around by the likes of Phil salt, Gregory, vince, banton, madhevere, Sean Williams, truly a meme bowler.

[ABDfan]

1 minute ago, Mesky99 said:

But rauf gets carted around by the likes of Phil salt, Gregory, vince, banton, madhevere, Sean Williams, truly a meme bowler.

lol logic 

[Mesky99]

8 hours ago, Jay said:

none of your bowlers are intimidating or hurry batsmen. almost zero damage infliction. shaheen only has yorkers. one fluke bouncer here and there at best.

Shaheen, Abbas the king of trundlers with Hassan Ali and faheem Ashraf is their test attack lol, they lost a test to a second string west Indies team lol 

[Mesky99]

7 hours ago, ABDfan said:

Lol go and watch Shaheen's bowling against Windies .Swinging yorker is far superior ball than bouncer as there is no need for fielder

What are Shaheens numbers in aus, NZ and eng? Pretty mediocre I guess.

 

 

[Vilander]

11 hours ago, express bowling said:

this thread has discussed Pace bowling and bowling speeds with passion and objectivity for the last 8 years. Suddenly, a handful of new Padosi posters are derailing this thread. If the Pakistani pacers are quick, let them be. Maybe, I should change the name of this thread to include Indian pacers to stop this derailment

Operative point, this will devolve into dick measuring contest otherwise and presumed dietary genetic superiority.. Lulz. Good to keep the discussion objectively driven. A bowler has to freaking take wickets in various conditions, match situations, enforce will on the result and be an scrupulous fast bowler while doing it. 

[Jay]

59 minutes ago, Mesky99 said:

Shaheen, Abbas the king of trundlers with Hassan Ali and faheem Ashraf is their test attack lol, they lost a test to a second string west Indies team lol 

Shaheen is quality as f but he goes missing with old ball and is poor on bouncy wickets. He is not a bounce based bowler. But most Pakistanis will keep regurgitating about how good of a yorker specialist he is. He is a great yorker man but you need a good bouncer to be a complete bowler.

[Jay]

7 hours ago, ABDfan said:

I am very impressed by super natural abilities of some icfers. A poster has eyes that can take more accurate reading of ball speed than speed gun and then comes @Jay my brah who has age and intimidation sensor along with average calculator combined inbuilt

Tell me dahani looks his age please. Tell me. 

What about amir article. You want me to link you? He said all athletes from Pakistan are 7 to 8 years older. Please tell me you don't think zeeshan looks 19? Fine whatever. Intimidation is about bowling brutal bouncers or toe crushing yorkers. Mostly bouncers that are aimed at inflicting pain or damage. Pakistan bowlers lack these attributes as seen vs australia, England and s.africa. 

 

 

[rollingstoned]

19 hours ago, express bowling said:

I am one of the biggest bowling speed enthusiasts on this site.I just love quick bowling, especially from Indian Fast Bowlers.

 

But this thread is getting derailed in the last 5 pages or so.

 

Pace bowling in cricket is NOT a speed gun contest  !!

 

The purpose of high bowling speeds are ---

 

1)  Hurrying batsmen consistently

2)  Bowling hostile short balls from time to time. 

 

.... Resulting in taking wickets and winning matches.

 

If a bowler is able to do them ... using a mixture of

 

1)  High release speeds

2)  Zip off the deck

3)  Steep bounce

4)  Late movement

5)  Sufficient accuracy to utilize the above four aspects effectively 

 

... that is what matters.

 

The reasons why I track speeds closely are 

 

1)  Whether a pacer has SUFFICIENT speed needed for international cricket.

2)  Speed readings tell us whether a pacer is bowling at HIS OPTIMUM speeds. 

3)  If that's not the case then the pacer maybe 

....  Lacking rhythm

....  Having some niggle or injury

....  Lacking match fitness or getting too old

....  Having issues with ball release

I want to gauge these aspects.

4)  It is a fun to track speeds for fast bowling enthusiasts.

 

Saini has clocked higher speeds than Bumrah and Wahab has clocked higher speeds than Shaheen. But no sane Indian speed enthusiast would want Saini in place of Bumrah. And no sane Pakistani speed enthusiast would want Wahab in place of Shaheen.

 

Yes ... we will all be very happy when one of our countrymen clocks 150 kph + 

 

But, from a cricket point of view, having sufficient speed to hurry batsmen regularly and bowl hostile short balls from time to time, is good enough. 

 

@Mosher, @Suhaan, @Vijy, @sarchasm, @rollingstoned, @SRT100  this thread has discussed Pace bowling and bowling speeds with passion and objectivity for the last 8 years. Suddenly, a handful of new Padosi posters are derailing this thread. If the Pakistani pacers are quick, let them be. Maybe, I should change the name of this thread to include Indian pacers to stop this derailment. Let them open a separate thread to bicker about Pakistani pacers.

 

 

 

Chhoti chhoti khushiyan, i have ignored the thread since it became a pointless arbitrary dick waving contest here when we are not even playing. If it helps some people sleep better so be it, dredging up what someone bowled in a match on a particular ball 5 yrs ago in a meaningless t20 or odi game isn't some spadework that I feel is worth doing. 

[ABDfan]

7 hours ago, Jay said:

Tell me dahani looks his age please. Tell me. 

What about amir article. You want me to link you? He said all athletes from Pakistan are 7 to 8 years older. Please tell me you don't think zeeshan looks 19? Fine whatever. Intimidation is about bowling brutal bouncers or toe crushing yorkers. Mostly bouncers that are aimed at inflicting pain or damage. Pakistan bowlers lack these attributes as seen vs australia, England and s.africa. 

 

 

I have not read Amir's article. But seen this video of Akash Chopra

 

[Jay]

1 minute ago, ABDfan said:

I have not read Amir's article. But seen this video of Akash Chopra

 

But they got punished and paid for it. Besides these boys look their age and are barley 2-3 years older than their stated age as mentioned. 

 

Amir said 7-8 for pakistam and they don't get punished. Huge difference buddy.