Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[tapandrun]

10 hours ago, express bowling said:

 

 

Overall decent squads. 

 

Awasti, Khamboj, Thakre and Vyshak are wasted spaces.

 

Could have tried Kartik Tyagi.

 

And where is Simarjeet ?

 

There is no point in choosing medium to short height medium pacers unless they are amazing bowlers. 

 

 

Kartik Tyagi and  Simarjeet have hardly played red-ball cricket in Domestics. 

 

Would say this is good initiative, should have similar trophies for odis and t20s and there should be clear understanding of who is t20 player who is ODI and who is test.

 

The problem is the short sightedness in last 3/4 years they kept recycling players like Unadkaat, Avesh, Khaleel and included players like Mukesh in all 3 formats and then carried Saini in Ind A tours, now you do not have much options in red-ball either you take a punt on bowlers like Simarjeet, Tyagi, umraan and other or include seasoned performers. and include the bowlers who are already in rotation - Avesh, Khaeel, Mukesh, Singh etc...

 

And with the short sightedness the other bowlers like Sen, Simarjeet etc are already 26-28 yo and they have not played much cricket.

 

IMO this should be the core group of fast bowling in no particular order for test cricket :::

 

Coregoup -

Bhumrah, Shami, Siraj, Akash deep, Singh, Rana, Umran, Mayank, Simarjeet, Tyagi (rated highly here by some, still to show case a good season in any tournament), Himanshu (need to check his pace),Sen

 

Out side core group-

Mukesh kumar, Mukesh Choudhary, Dayal, Avesh, Khaleel, Arora, Mohsin, Arsad, Yudhvir, Sakib (KKr camp is excited about him at least their SM handles) and then there could be people like Avinash Singh (RCB pick think he was not in IPL auctions last time due to injury),Kaverappa, Pradish 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 15, 2024 by tapandrun

[Rightarmfast]

Here's a video claiming Waqar was super duper quick. I dont deny he was very quick. Infact, the first delivery shown in this video is at 150k's. However, there are ample bowlers who have bowled at 150.

It gets interesting at 2:30. The commentators keep saying the delivery was super quick. Turns out the delivery was at 142!

 

@Muloghonto remember we were having the conversation about Malcolm Marshall and Bumrah?

 

 

[ind_hyd1]

Any information on Akash Sengupta of Assam, interestng selection

[JaFanatic]

10 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Here's a video claiming Waqar was super duper quick. I dont deny he was very quick. Infact, the first delivery shown in this video is at 150k's. However, there are ample bowlers who have bowled at 150.

It gets interesting at 2:30. The commentators keep saying the delivery was super quick. Turns out the delivery was at 142!

 

@Muloghonto remember we were having the conversation about Malcolm Marshall and Bumrah?

 

 

Old man @Muloghonto will come and yap about how back in the day average pace of bowlers used to be 145 and what not 

 

Good comic relief though! 

Edited August 16, 2024 by JaFanatic

[rkt.india]

2 hours ago, JaFanatic said:

Old man @Muloghonto will come and yap about how back in the day average pace of bowlers used to be 145 and what not 

 

Good comic relief though! 

No. He will say 95 mph whole day.

[singhvivek141]

14 hours ago, Rightarmfast said:

Here's a video claiming Waqar was super duper quick. I dont deny he was very quick. Infact, the first delivery shown in this video is at 150k's. However, there are ample bowlers who have bowled at 150.

It gets interesting at 2:30. The commentators keep saying the delivery was super quick. Turns out the delivery was at 142!

 

@Muloghonto remember we were having the conversation about Malcolm Marshall and Bumrah?

 

 

Waqar bowled 142.6 kph in 2003 WC as well. Though I doubt speedguns of that WC.

Waqar was quick in his earlier days, not express but quick like Bumrah. Around 1994-95 he lost his pace quite a lot when he got injured.

 

Srinath too suffered same trajectory, he too was quick and at times express. That shoulder injury in 97's dented his performance for couple of years, he picked up pace though later again once he recovered 100%.

[tapandrun]

5 hours ago, ind_hyd1 said:

Any information on Akash Sengupta of Assam, interestng selection

Bowls mid 130 kmph in t20 per smat speedometer and can bat a bit. 

 

[tapandrun]

Maharaja T20 league started , is Pradish playing there ??

[Suhaan]

4 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

Waqar bowled 142.6 kph in 2003 WC as well. Though I doubt speedguns of that WC.

Waqar was quick in his earlier days, not express but quick like Bumrah. Around 1994-95 he lost his pace quite a lot when he got injured.

 

Srinath too suffered same trajectory, he too was quick and at times express. That shoulder injury in 97's dented his performance for couple of years, he picked up pace though later again once he recovered 100%.

Srinath left McGrath and everyone  to dust in early 98 Aus tour to India ,from both sides

And was almost 150 kph in 99WC only behind Akhtar

[singhvivek141]

I was looking at the Duleep Trophy teams.

 

As expected, BCCI went safe and didn't pickup any "out of box" selections for the fast bowlers. Same old tried and failed shitty formula is being repeated again.

 

Starting with Team A

Akashdeep, Khaleel, Avesh, Kaverappa, Prasidh

 

Akashdeep & to some extent Prasidh looks good. Avesh & Khaleel have been a failure so far, what we will achieve by playing the same failures again ? They are mediocre and they will he mediocre. Kaverappa looks decent but will he be better than Prasidh or Akash ? Also this team is full of tall hit the deck bowlers. Someone like Vaibhav Arora must have added a variety here.

 

Team B

Siraj, Yash, Mukesh, Mohit. 3 pure trundlers and one decent pacer whose performance is flickering like an under powered tubelight. Why didn't we selected Sen or Yudhvir here ? This teams needs a tall hit the deck bowler, all they have are good length floaty seam bowlers.

 

Team C

Kamboj, Warrier, Umran, Vyshak, Himanshu. Variety is good, Warrier & Himanshu & tall hit the deck, while Umran is pacy and skiddy. Anshul Kamboj's stats are very poor in FC...we could have easily fit Tyagi here in place of Kamboj. Vyshak is just meh.

 

Team D

Arshdeep, Tushar, Harshit, Aditya & Sengupta.

Is Arshdeep a whiteball bowler ? Will he be able to sustain his pace, was barely clocking 127-128 while bowling 10 overs. Tushar is pacy but is brainless with no ability to move the bowl. No Idea about Aditya & Sengupta...would have really loved to see Prithviraj & Hangargekar here. Not sure what's going on.

[tapandrun]

36 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

I was looking at the Duleep Trophy teams.

 

As expected, BCCI went safe and didn't pickup any "out of box" selections for the fast bowlers. Same old tried and failed shitty formula is being repeated again.

 

Starting with Team A

Akashdeep, Khaleel, Avesh, Kaverappa, Prasidh

 

Akashdeep & to some extent Prasidh looks good. Avesh & Khaleel have been a failure so far, what we will achieve by playing the same failures again ? They are mediocre and they will he mediocre. Kaverappa looks decent but will he be better than Prasidh or Akash ? Also this team is full of tall hit the deck bowlers. Someone like Vaibhav Arora must have added a variety here.

 

Team B

Siraj, Yash, Mukesh, Mohit. 3 pure trundlers and one decent pacer whose performance is flickering like an under powered tubelight. Why didn't we selected Sen or Yudhvir here ? This teams needs a tall hit the deck bowler, all they have are good length floaty seam bowlers.

 

Team C

Kamboj, Warrier, Umran, Vyshak, Himanshu. Variety is good, Warrier & Himanshu & tall hit the deck, while Umran is pacy and skiddy. Anshul Kamboj's stats are very poor in FC...we could have easily fit Tyagi here in place of Kamboj. Vyshak is just meh.

 

Team D

Arshdeep, Tushar, Harshit, Aditya & Sengupta.

Is Arshdeep a whiteball bowler ? Will he be able to sustain his pace, was barely clocking 127-128 while bowling 10 overs. Tushar is pacy but is brainless with no ability to move the bowl. No Idea about Aditya & Sengupta...would have really loved to see Prithviraj & Hangargekar here. Not sure what's going on.

the problem is that objectives of this trophy are not defined, what made them change the format from zonal to this??

but this is a good initiative should have something same for t20 and 50 overs too

 

 

[Suhaan]

1 hour ago, singhvivek141 said:

I was looking at the Duleep Trophy teams.

 

As expected, BCCI went safe and didn't pickup any "out of box" selections for the fast bowlers. Same old tried and failed shitty formula is being repeated again.

 

Starting with Team A

Akashdeep, Khaleel, Avesh, Kaverappa, Prasidh

 

Akashdeep & to some extent Prasidh looks good. Avesh & Khaleel have been a failure so far, what we will achieve by playing the same failures again ? They are mediocre and they will he mediocre. Kaverappa looks decent but will he be better than Prasidh or Akash ? Also this team is full of tall hit the deck bowlers. Someone like Vaibhav Arora must have added a variety here.

 

Team B

Siraj, Yash, Mukesh, Mohit. 3 pure trundlers and one decent pacer whose performance is flickering like an under powered tubelight. Why didn't we selected Sen or Yudhvir here ? This teams needs a tall hit the deck bowler, all they have are good length floaty seam bowlers.

 

Team C

Kamboj, Warrier, Umran, Vyshak, Himanshu. Variety is good, Warrier & Himanshu & tall hit the deck, while Umran is pacy and skiddy. Anshul Kamboj's stats are very poor in FC...we could have easily fit Tyagi here in place of Kamboj. Vyshak is just meh.

 

Team D

Arshdeep, Tushar, Harshit, Aditya & Sengupta.

Is Arshdeep a whiteball bowler ? Will he be able to sustain his pace, was barely clocking 127-128 while bowling 10 overs. Tushar is pacy but is brainless with no ability to move the bowl. No Idea about Aditya & Sengupta...would have really loved to see Prithviraj & Hangargekar here. Not sure what's going on.

Yash is not pure trundler,he can hit mid 140s

 

[tapandrun]

Are Sakib, basir, tyagi etc playing in buchi babu ??

[Need4Speed]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

Are Sakib, basir, tyagi etc playing in buchi babu ??

 

Group A: Madhya Pradesh, Hyderabad and Jharkhand
Group B: Railways, Gujarat and TNCA President’s XI
Group C: Haryana, TNCA XI and Mumbai
Group D: Jammu and Kashmir, Chattisgarh and Baroda

 

Sakib is in Bihar which is not part of this tournament so he shouldnt be there..same is is Tyagi part of UP..not there too.. not aware about Bashir..will need to check J & K squad..

 

and what did I see..2 TNCA teams?

Edited August 16, 2024 by Need4Speed

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, Need4Speed said:

 

Group A: Madhya Pradesh, Hyderabad and Jharkhand
Group B: Railways, Gujarat and TNCA President’s XI
Group C: Haryana, TNCA XI and Mumbai
Group D: Jammu and Kashmir, Chattisgarh and Baroda

 

Sakib is in Bihar which is not part of this tournament so he shouldnt be there..same is is Tyagi part of UP..not there too.. not aware about Bashir..will need to check J & K squad..

 

and what did I see..2 TNCA teams?

Its invitational cup so if some1 can feature their teams they are welcomed to do so, TNCA being host may have decided to field 2 team to create 4 groups with 3 teams in each group.

[tweaker]

10 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

I was looking at the Duleep Trophy teams.

 

As expected, BCCI went safe and didn't pickup any "out of box" selections for the fast bowlers. Same old tried and failed shitty formula is being repeated again.

 

Starting with Team A

Akashdeep, Khaleel, Avesh, Kaverappa, Prasidh

 

Akashdeep & to some extent Prasidh looks good. Avesh & Khaleel have been a failure so far, what we will achieve by playing the same failures again ? They are mediocre and they will he mediocre. Kaverappa looks decent but will he be better than Prasidh or Akash ? Also this team is full of tall hit the deck bowlers. Someone like Vaibhav Arora must have added a variety here.

 

Team B

Siraj, Yash, Mukesh, Mohit. 3 pure trundlers and one decent pacer whose performance is flickering like an under powered tubelight. Why didn't we selected Sen or Yudhvir here ? This teams needs a tall hit the deck bowler, all they have are good length floaty seam bowlers.

 

Team C

Kamboj, Warrier, Umran, Vyshak, Himanshu. Variety is good, Warrier & Himanshu & tall hit the deck, while Umran is pacy and skiddy. Anshul Kamboj's stats are very poor in FC...we could have easily fit Tyagi here in place of Kamboj. Vyshak is just meh.

 

Team D

Arshdeep, Tushar, Harshit, Aditya & Sengupta.

Is Arshdeep a whiteball bowler ? Will he be able to sustain his pace, was barely clocking 127-128 while bowling 10 overs. Tushar is pacy but is brainless with no ability to move the bowl. No Idea about Aditya & Sengupta...would have really loved to see Prithviraj & Hangargekar here. Not sure what's going on.

We cant blame the selectors if Sen and Tyagi are injured most of the times.

Sen and Tyagi have hardly played 1 or 2 matches in last year Ranji season.

The selection committee has given opportunity to someone like Sengupta who plays for Assam.

If Tyagi,Sen doesn't get selected in the Duleep Trophy which has almost the top pacer in domestic,they should really figure out their future for India team,otherwise they would be IPL specialists.

 

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, tweaker said:

We cant blame the selectors if Sen and Tyagi are injured most of the times.

Sen and Tyagi have hardly played 1 or 2 matches in last year Ranji season.

The selection committee has given opportunity to someone like Sengupta who plays for Assam.

If Tyagi,Sen doesn't get selected in the Duleep Trophy which has almost the top pacer in domestic,they should really figure out their future for India team,otherwise they would be IPL specialists.

 

I don't think they have selected top pacers only from Duleep.

Akash Sengupta, Kamboj, Khaleel all have mediocre FC stats.

Vaibhav's numbers are better than the 3 above..not part of any XI.

 

I still think they have went through Sifarishi players. Kamboj played for MI and he finds a place in the Duleep.

[vishalvirsingh]

On 8/16/2024 at 10:12 PM, singhvivek141 said:

I was looking at the Duleep Trophy teams.

 

As expected, BCCI went safe and didn't pickup any "out of box" selections for the fast bowlers. Same old tried and failed shitty formula is being repeated again.

 

Starting with Team A

Akashdeep, Khaleel, Avesh, Kaverappa, Prasidh

 

Akashdeep & to some extent Prasidh looks good. Avesh & Khaleel have been a failure so far, what we will achieve by playing the same failures again ? They are mediocre and they will he mediocre. Kaverappa looks decent but will he be better than Prasidh or Akash ? Also this team is full of tall hit the deck bowlers. Someone like Vaibhav Arora must have added a variety here.

 

Team B

Siraj, Yash, Mukesh, Mohit. 3 pure trundlers and one decent pacer whose performance is flickering like an under powered tubelight. Why didn't we selected Sen or Yudhvir here ? This teams needs a tall hit the deck bowler, all they have are good length floaty seam bowlers.

 

Team C

Kamboj, Warrier, Umran, Vyshak, Himanshu. Variety is good, Warrier & Himanshu & tall hit the deck, while Umran is pacy and skiddy. Anshul Kamboj's stats are very poor in FC...we could have easily fit Tyagi here in place of Kamboj. Vyshak is just meh.

 

Team D

Arshdeep, Tushar, Harshit, Aditya & Sengupta.

Is Arshdeep a whiteball bowler ? Will he be able to sustain his pace, was barely clocking 127-128 while bowling 10 overs. Tushar is pacy but is brainless with no ability to move the bowl. No Idea about Aditya & Sengupta...would have really loved to see Prithviraj & Hangargekar here. Not sure what's going on.

Rajyawardhan hingarkar...how come he is in no team 

[tapandrun]

On 8/18/2024 at 11:41 AM, vishalvirsingh said:

Rajyawardhan hingarkar...how come he is in no team 

V.few domestic games

[Lone Wolf]

Watch out for young Bangla quick Nahid Rana tomorrow.  He is set to play.

Might be fastest pacer on show from both sides @Nikhil_cric