Speeds and Performances of Pacers and Spinners

[singhvivek141]

3 minutes ago, tweaker said:

See the uch vichar of our seniors cricket Aakash Chopra

 

 Aakash Chopra has backed Siraj over Akash Deep as the second-choice pacer in the team for Australia. He added that Siraj  should be backed through his lean patch and the pacer’s longevity is the cause of backing

 

"Akash Deep has done well, but Siraj has done well for India for a longer time. You have to give the leverage for that. It is just how we look at batters. They do not consistently do well. Look at KL Rahul, he last hit a 100 28 innings ago.

 

If really this was said, then I have no hesitancy in saying our ex cricketers are dumb and has no knowledge/understanding or cricket. They are just the cabre dancers for BCCI.

[Need4Speed]

7 hours ago, MK55 said:

Shami - 
 

"We have worked as a unit since 2014," Shami said. "India never had three bowlers at a time who could bowl over 140kph. Maybe two at max. Now we even have some on the bench who can bowl 145kph. Every opponent waits for one easy kind of bowler, but that's how you create fear that all our bowlers are 145kph and have different kind of skills. And we showed how to fight when we toured overseas. Earlier we used to be on the safe side or our pace attack wasn't that aggressive. This generation knows how to pay it back."

 

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/mohammed-shami-100-percent-pain-free-but-wants-to-play-domestic-cricket-before-australia-tour-1456403

 

After he retires..he is disqualified for any position in TM\Selection panel with such comments

[Suhaan]

8 hours ago, tweaker said:

See the uch vichar of our seniors cricket Aakash Chopra

 

 Aakash Chopra has backed Siraj over Akash Deep as the second-choice pacer in the team for Australia. He added that Siraj  should be backed through his lean patch and the pacer’s longevity is the cause of backing

 

"Akash Deep has done well, but Siraj has done well for India for a longer time. You have to give the leverage for that. It is just how we look at batters. They do not consistently do well. Look at KL Rahul, he last hit a 100 28 innings ago.

Bakwas bosda

[JaFanatic]

10 hours ago, tweaker said:

See the uch vichar of our seniors cricket Aakash Chopra

 

 Aakash Chopra has backed Siraj over Akash Deep as the second-choice pacer in the team for Australia. He added that Siraj  should be backed through his lean patch and the pacer’s longevity is the cause of backing

 

"Akash Deep has done well, but Siraj has done well for India for a longer time. You have to give the leverage for that. It is just how we look at batters. They do not consistently do well. Look at KL Rahul, he last hit a 100 28 innings ago.

Sachin has done well for India longer than any other current batters let's take him to Australia as well 

[raki05]

10 hours ago, tweaker said:

See the uch vichar of our seniors cricket Aakash Chopra

 

 Aakash Chopra has backed Siraj over Akash Deep as the second-choice pacer in the team for Australia. He added that Siraj  should be backed through his lean patch and the pacer’s longevity is the cause of backing

 

"Akash Deep has done well, but Siraj has done well for India for a longer time. You have to give the leverage for that. It is just how we look at batters. They do not consistently do well. Look at KL Rahul, he last hit a 100 28 innings ago.

He see himself in them….. he was even more pathetic than kela. Look at the example this idiot is putting in saying kela dint do 100 in 28 inning to defend Siraj. BC defending one failure with another. Kela and siraj should expelled from the team and Jhopra from analysis.

[putrevus]

19 hours ago, singhvivek141 said:

 

If really this was said, then I have no hesitancy in saying our ex cricketers are dumb and has no knowledge/understanding or cricket. They are just the cabre dancers for BCCI.

See how can we blame BCCI. If Siraj gets lumped with Bumrah by everyone.

[R!TTER]

9 hours ago, JaFanatic said:

Sachin has done well for India longer than any other current batters let's take him to Australia as well 

With some practice he's still do well than a lot of chumps in this lineup  

[singhvivek141]

46 minutes ago, putrevus said:

See how can we blame BCCI. If Siraj gets lumped with Bumrah by everyone.

Siraj is light years behind Bumrah.

Siraj on his good days is exceptional in utilizing the overcast conditions to swing the ball. 

He works well as a third wheel if he has to bowl alongside Bumrah & Shami.

 

As Shami was injured, he jumped up the ladder and became second choice pacer after Bumrah, coz we literally have no replacement.

[putrevus]

6 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Siraj is light years behind Bumrah.

Siraj on his good days is exceptional in utilizing the overcast conditions to swing the ball. 

He works well as a third wheel if he has to bowl alongside Bumrah & Shami.

 

As Shami was injured, he jumped up the ladder and became second choice pacer after Bumrah, coz we literally have no replacement.

I don't think he works as a third wheel also.But he is some how categorized as best.

[Nikhil_cric]

28 minutes ago, singhvivek141 said:

Siraj is light years behind Bumrah.

Siraj on his good days is exceptional in utilizing the overcast conditions to swing the ball. 

He works well as a third wheel if he has to bowl alongside Bumrah & Shami.

 

As Shami was injured, he jumped up the ladder and became second choice pacer after Bumrah, coz we literally have no replacement.

Siraj is lacking pace. In fact since 2021, Indian bowling attack is simply not quick enough including Bumrah. 

 

Whatever was working pre Covid is no longer working that well now. 

 

https://www.cricket.com/news/what-ails-mohammed-siraj-10222024-1729591602381

 

For a long period(2013-2020) we had an attack that was high on average pace. 

 

It's decline a lot now. Not enough deliveries in the 135 + range. 

 

 

 

[tapandrun]

Former Ind cricketer supporting current Ind player is not a new thing this has been happening so a longtime.

Sometimes its empathy, sometimes its just they are good mates and some times its social media thing, no one knows if they say anything that could cause Sm backslash.

 

Simon Doull mentioned about low sr of kolhi whie setting up the targets/batting 1st.

No one can mention about how dhoni was not that good a  t20is batter with below 120 SR most of his career, same thing for pant and KL rahul no1 can talk honestly about it for 1 reason or the other. 

[tapandrun]

1 hour ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Siraj is lacking pace. In fact since 2021, Indian bowling attack is simply not quick enough including Bumrah. 

 

Whatever was working pre Covid is no longer working that well now. 

 

https://www.cricket.com/news/what-ails-mohammed-siraj-10222024-1729591602381

 

For a long period(2013-2020) we had an attack that was high on average pace. 

 

It's decline a lot now. Not enough deliveries in the 135 + range. 

 

 

 

Bhumrah had 2 injuries from back then, before 1st back injury he was able to bowl few balls ~150 kmph when in rhythm in test.

After that he was not able to do that, after second injury he reduced his pace and it seems some of it was natural and some of it because he is trying to add swing bowling skills too, previously he was pure seamer.

 

Recently he has been trying to bowl consistently 140+kmph in test (not saying he is trying to bowl quicker overall but trying to get his grouping close to 140+kmph) as the result he is seem bowling a few more balls in 145+kmph.

 

Siraj has been decline v.rapidly, he can not be no.2 bowler, needs to be dropped/rested

 

 

 

  

Edited October 22, 2024 by tapandrun

[Lone Wolf]

34 minutes ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Siraj is lacking pace. In fact since 2021, Indian bowling attack is simply not quick enough including Bumrah. 

 

Whatever was working pre Covid is no longer working that well now. 

 

https://www.cricket.com/news/what-ails-mohammed-siraj-10222024-1729591602381

 

For a long period(2013-2020) we had an attack that was high on average pace. 

 

It's decline a lot now. Not enough deliveries in the 135 + range. 

 

 

 

Indian attack Indeed was pretty quick during that phase (2016-2021) to be precise.

Kohli Shastri emphasized on it. 

 

Rohit Dravid tenure was the most disastrous one as team never  improved and bench strength was non existent.

Only 1 new player was introduced in Jaiswal.

Akashdeep played only 1 test & both him and Jurel were brought by Agarkar with Dravid still reluctant nevertheless it was his final series.

 

We have ran out of time to create back-up Pacers for two massive tours coming up back to Back Australia and England.

 

Even Rob Key is preparing an English pace attack at least 1.5 year in advance to Ashes in Australia with every pacer having an ability to Bowl accurately with 86-87+mph speed.

 

These jokers never had a clue.

 

Edited October 22, 2024 by Lone Wolf

[putrevus]

Rohit Sharma again had no clue how to manage fast bowlers.He bowled Bumrah for eight straight overs.Fast bowlers cannot be bowling 8 straight overs.

[tapandrun]

Things have not changed even now, TM and selectors are  still selecting Saini and Mukesh kumar for Aus -A tour.

These shadow tours are no longer serving the purpose, these A tours should have been used to infuse some high potential players rather than some 30 + yo bowlers who have already seen better days or are just 1 injury away from retirements.

 

Should have selected some new quick bowlers over these bowlers, these tours are no longer look like development tours but some way to accomodate certain players.

 

Ind -A  fast bowlers for Aus tour --Mukesh, Saini, Dayal and Khaleel.

Acc- Ind Emerging --Kamboj,Dar, Arora, Aaqib 

 

Who in these are high potential Ind prospect ??? 

Arora --May be but can only be the 3/4 bowler

Kamboj-- Think he would come into Ind side, he is kind of bowler who is liked in Ind cricketing system

Dayal--May be but not a high potential bowler

Saini, Khaleel -- Tried tested and rejected by now ...??

Mukesh -- Ind had to bring Akash deep outside of the team to play the test inplace of him and Mukesh has not looked looked like an intnl material in whatever test he has player, T20is sure play him do not want Bhumrah/Shami to play meaningless t20i cups as Ind is already low on fast bowling stock.

Dar -- Do not think he is intnl quality but sure try him in t20is if he can bat but his bowing will be thrashed against a good batting side , he does not have bouncer , yorkers, all he bowls are few swinger and some back of the hand slower-ones

Aaqib--how did he leap-forged so many bowlers ??? he looked like asub 135 kmph bowler  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 22, 2024 by tapandrun

[Nikhil_cric]

34 minutes ago, Lone Wolf said:

Indian attack Indeed was pretty quick during that phase (2016-2021) to be precise.

Kohli Shastri emphasized on it. 

 

Rohit Dravid tenure was the most disastrous one as team never  improved and bench strength was non existent.

Only 1 new player was introduced in Jaiswal.

Akashdeep played only 1 test & both him and Jurel were brought by Agarkar with Dravid still reluctant nevertheless it was his final series.

 

We have ran out of time to create back-up Pacers for two massive tours coming up back to Back Australia and England.

 

Even Rob Key is preparing an English pace attack at least 1.5 year in advance to Ashes in Australia with every pacer having an ability to Bowl accurately with 86-87+mph speed.

 

These jokers never had a clue.

 

I think it may be deeper than that. I think Shankar Basu was a key figure in helping bowlers keep themselves well conditioned and fit 

 

Not sure the new S&C coach is as good.

 

Even at IPL level, bowlers were bowling much quicker around 2018

 

[Need4Speed]

2 hours ago, R!TTER said:

With some practice he's still do well than a lot of chumps in this lineup  

his SR will still be better than Akash Chopra in form

[Suhaan]

2 hours ago, putrevus said:

I don't think he works as a third wheel also.But he is some how categorized as best.

He's puncture wheel

[singhvivek141]

2 hours ago, Nikhil_cric said:

Siraj is lacking pace. In fact since 2021, Indian bowling attack is simply not quick enough including Bumrah. 

 

Whatever was working pre Covid is no longer working that well now. 

 

https://www.cricket.com/news/what-ails-mohammed-siraj-10222024-1729591602381

 

For a long period(2013-2020) we had an attack that was high on average pace. 

 

It's decline a lot now. Not enough deliveries in the 135 + range. 

 

 

 

Good article.

Some quality points are discussed about Siraj. He has lost the pace and earlier he used to bowl 135-145 kph..now he is more in 128-138kph territory.

 

The slower a bowler becomes, the more ineffective his reverse will be. That's why most trundlers who are serviceable in the shorter formats can't survive in the longest format. As reverse swing plays a key role in the Indian conditions for a fast bowler. Siraj is a borderline trundler now.

[singhvivek141]

1 hour ago, tapandrun said:

Who in these are high potential Ind prospect ??? 

Arora --May be but can only be the 3/4 bowler

Kamboj-- Think he would come into Ind side, he is kind of bowler who is liked in Ind cricketing system

Dayal--May be but not a high potential bowler

Saini, Khaleel -- Tried tested and rejected by now ...??

Mukesh -- Ind had to bring Akash deep outside of the team to play the test inplace of him and Mukesh has not looked looked like an intnl material in whatever test he has player, T20is sure play him do not want Bhumrah/Shami to play meaningless t20i cups as Ind is already low on fast bowling stock.

Dar -- Do not think he is intnl quality but sure try him in t20is if he can bat but his bowing will be thrashed against a good batting side , he does not have bouncer , yorkers, all he bowls are few swinger and some back of the hand slower-ones

Aaqib--how did he leap-forged so many bowlers ??? he looked like asub 135 kmph bowler  

 

Arora -> Tall, but strictly a new ball bowler.

Kamboj -> Similar to Mohit Sharma. Can be a one change bowler for shorter formats.

Dayal -> More suited for white ball, can be a challenge for Arshdeep.

Saini, Mukesh -> Old, rejected.

Khaleel -> Skilled but lazy fellow. Don't have motivation.

Rasikh -> A variation/gimmicky bowler, may work initially but then will be exposed.

Aaqib -> Mukesh Kumar lite.